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YES WE CAN!! Victory Speech: thoughts?

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  1. Josh_LX

    Josh_LX FEOA Member

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    Anyone else think President Obama's (I love how that sounds) speech was one of the best ever given? Listening to him made me proud of the U.S. for the first time since I can remember. I felt a sense of peace, pride, rejoicement, and wanted to cry tears of joy all at the same time.
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    Hopefully someone will put it on YouTube, since I missed it.... :(
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    O RLY? I felt he could have been a bit more gracious, too me he comes off arrogant and cocky.

    To his credit he did a great job and spoke tot he masses, but you can bet there will be personal "Change" to him once in office. It has happened to every president that has ever taken office! So we will see how much change we can belive in.
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    It made me really, really glad to be in this country.

    Yeah, it's a triumph of my personal beliefs over what has been previous attitudes. But more importantly...seeing him take the stage...holy crap, guys. We've got an African American president. Remarkable and amazing.

    Of course, my state (UT) went predictable Republican, but I was surprised VERY well by the turnout. 35% voted for Obama. Compared to 26% for Kerry last go-around, I'm very happy.

    I'm very interested in seeing what will be made of all of this. Interesting times, indeed.
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    P.S. It was worth it alone just to spite those racist nutjobs. My h0nkey a$$ is tired of hearing hate spew from that hole in their necks. But that's was just icing on the cake. I simply checked a president box and moved on to the local issues like it was no big deal. That is what took the most thought and time actually. There were 12 propositions and 5 or 7 local elections.
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    Oh, and McCain had an awesome speech too. Even better than I expected (and I had high expecations for him. Obama was right... McCain is a great man who deserves all of our respect).
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    http://www.610wtvn.com/cc-common/news/s ... le=4527414

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    Man Parks Manure Truck In Front Of Obama Office

    Democrats in Montana are putting up a stink after a 38-year-old man reportedly parked a load of manure across the street from a Barack Obama office to protest the candidate.

    Terry Reed reportedly parked the trailer in front of the campaign office Saturday along with a sign resembling an Obama sign reading "A Load Of Crap."

    The team leader with the Obama office says traffic in town came to a standstill as people stopped to take pictures.

    Reed has refused to move the trailer until after Election Day.
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    Wile he is a good talker, that doesn't mean much to me (other than he is a good talker).

    So when do we start calling each other comrade?
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    look at how many rights we LOST under King George with the Patriot act. Think Free Speech may have been next if the Rep party continued, Comrade? Bobby McGee - "Freedoms just another word for nothing left to lose" - written by Janis Joplin during a Rep administration, hmm.

    Matt.
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    Where's my monies now!

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    Yeah, I actually am thinking about getting a dual citizenship into another money friendly country.. Because I have worked my ass off too hard and paid for too much education to have someone else take it from me.
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    You know what I heard him say that got my vote?

    Personal responsibility.

    For years we have been operating without it. Buy too much house, thats ok, we'll buy the debt from you. Buried in CC debt? thats ok, we'll consolidate it. Worried about filling up your 8 passenger SUV that you drive to work by yourself in? Thats ok, we'll take over some countries in the name of fighting terrorism. All it'll cost you is 10 trillion bucks and the right to have a private phone conversation, among some other rights, like, the right to prvate financial records... We wouldn't want you talking to those pesky terrorists, or, sending them money.

    I dont know how anyone can call him a socialist when he says "This is not my election, this is your election, and we are all responsible for how this turns out."

    Personal responsibility people. It's finally here.
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    I agree with that and for me it was a hard election. I was honestly split down the middle until you got to his economic policy. He is a socialist, point blank but we need a major change to get the country back on track. But for those of us whos hard work was rewarded I stand to lose THOUSANDS of dollars with new capital gains taxes because I work hard and got paid for it! That is rubbish. That is where he lost me, how he won. People that have welth envy and are tired of being poor.. The problem is there is no such thing as trickly UP economics.

    And I hope your house is heated by Nat. Gas. Because he is going to kill the coal industry and that is how MOST power plants produce the power that comes into our homes. Neither was pefect by a long shot, and your kidding yourself if you think everything he promised to do is going to get done. The Oval office has a way of changing the men sitting in it. He will soon wake up to the fact that change will have to happen in baby steps. As it stands he is going to be taking the helm of a sinking ship anyways.
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    Could not have said it better myself. I agree with you 150%.

    I don't think that it is the governments responsibility to bail you out of the home that you bought, that you can not afford. You did it, you take responsibilty for it.

    I think that he did a wonderful speech. I also think that John McCain's speech was nice.
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    Of course we will call the AP anti-Obama after you read this, but this is EXACTLY what I have been preaching....

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- Over a two-year campaign, Barack Obama laid out a vision for the nation's future in soaring speeches that enthralled his audiences. With his victory in the presidential election on Tuesday, those goals will collide with daunting realities.

    President Obama will inherit a budget deficit that many analysts say could hit a trillion dollars for the first time in history, severely crimping any promises for tax cuts or spending on new programs. He faces a diving economy that has traumatized Americans trying to buy a home, pay for college or plan for retirement. And he'll confront the complexities of trying to extricate U.S. forces from Iraq, and a resurgent conflict in Afghanistan. A look at Obama's campaign promises and the challenges that stand in their way:

    THE ECONOMY, TAXES AND DEFICITS

    The promise: Retain President Bush's tax cuts for families making less than $250,000 a year and provide more relief to the squeezed middle class by creating new tax breaks for lower-income families; protect middle-class taxpayers from the Alternative Minimum Tax; exempt seniors making less than $50,000 a year from paying income taxes, expand the tax credit for college and provide incentives to encourage savings, and help pay for child care and mortgage expenses.

    For the shorter term, Obama supported the $700 billion financial bailout plan passed in October and backs a second stimulus plan that would provide up to about $150 billion on top of the $168 billion package of tax rebates passed earlier in the year. It could provide tax rebates or credits, extend jobless benefits and spending on infrastructure projects like roads and bridges, as well as sending food aid to the poor and money to states to pay their Medicaid bills. Separately, Obama also proposed a $1,000 emergency energy rebate to families and penalty-free withdrawals of up to $10,000 from 401(k)s and IRA's. He also proposes a $3,000-per-employee tax credit to companies for each new job they create.

    The problem: Obama's spending plans and middle-class tax relief will confront exploding budget deficits -- $438 billion this year, and growing as the down economy reduces tax revenues and increases spending on bailouts and anti-recessionary programs. The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center estimates Obama's proposals would reduce projected tax revenue by $2.95 trillion over the next decade, compared to what would happen if Bush's tax cuts were to expire as scheduled at the end of 2010.

    ENERGY

    The promise: A crash program to begin to wean the country off of its dependence on oil. The goal is to reduce U.S. petroleum demand by an amount equal to the 3.5 million barrels a day now imported from unfriendly Venezuela and the volatile Persian Gulf. Obama also would invest $15 billion a year over the next 10 years to spur commercial development of alternative energy -- wind, biomass and solar -- and more energy-efficient buildings and automobiles. And he wants a short-term rebate of $1,000 per couple to help with rising energy costs.

    The problem: Here, too, the economic crisis throws new spending into doubt -- including Obama's alternative energy plans. The $150 billion program also is tied to Congess tackling global warming by putting a price on greenhouse gases, a prospect that faces many obstacles. The call for an energy rebate also may lose its urgency as gasoline prices have dropped by more than a third and heating oil by almost half from their peaks last summer.

    HEALTH CARE

    The promise: Increase the number of people with health insurance by having the government subsidize the cost of coverage for low- and middle-income families. To help pay for that expense, increase taxes for those families earning more than $250,000. Obama also would require employers not offering health coverage to pay a percentage of their payroll toward a national health plan. Small businesses would be exempt. He would also mandate that children have health insurance, and he would expand who can participate in Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program.

    Obama's plan would let people choose a public, Medicare-like plan or browse a shopping center of sorts for private insurance plans. The National Health Insurance Exchange would create rules and standards for participating private plans, and insurers would have to issue every applicant a policy regardless of pre-existing health conditions.

    The problem: While the plan would help millions of people obtain health insurance, health analysts say it falls short of universal coverage. The Tax Policy Center says the Obama plan would reduce the number of uninsured by 18 million in the first full year of operation, from the current figure of 45 million. That still would leave millions of uninsured adults. Meanwhile, the penalty on employers that don't offer health insurance could increase the cost of operating a business. Also, the plan will cost an estimated $1.6 trillion over 10 years, according to the Tax Policy Center.

    FOREIGN POLICY

    The promise: Obama says he would engage both allies and adversaries to repair the U.S. image abroad and regain leverage and leadership that he says Bush squandered with the Iraq war. He says he will marshal international pressure against Iran, boost U.S. efforts against extremists along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border and get a faster and firmer start on Middle East peacemaking. He vowed to "renew the tough, direct diplomacy that can prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons and curb Russian aggression."

    The problem: The Bush administration has already reversed many of its policies that other nations saw as isolationist or bullying -- for example, by joining international diplomatic efforts with "axis of evil" nations Iran and North Korea. But even those haven't produced great results and neither has yet to achieve its desired goal. Obama has suggested he would continue such efforts, but there is no guarantee they will yield greater success. The Bush administration has also in recent weeks engaged in unilateral strikes against extremists inside both Pakistan and Syria, prompting furious responses from those countries. Obama says he, too, will go after terrorists this way but any president wanting to step up such activities will face strong resistance from local authorities and probably pay the price for violating other nations' sovereignty by seeing cooperation cut back.

    DEFENSE

    The promise: Pull all U.S. combat forces out of Iraq within 16 months, send more combat troops to Afghanistan and provide better care for wounded troops and veterans.

    The problem: A troop pullout by mid-2010 is feasible, although some argue that it risks shifting full responsibility to Iraq's security forces before they are ready. The Bush administration, which originally opposed setting any pullout date, has targeted departure by the end of 2011, although the Iraqis have yet to agree.

    Until U.S. forces are pulled from Iraq, there are none to bolster the force in Afghanistan. Balancing needs in those two countries will be an immediate challenge for Obama. There is broad consensus on the need for more troops to combat an emboldened insurgency in Afghanistan and to train government troops there, but the trick is to accomplish that without giving up gains against the insurgency in Iraq and without robbing combat-weary soldiers and Marines of the rest periods they need.

    Caring for veterans and the wounded entails enormous costs, and the scope of the health care requirements for returning troops is not yet fully known.

    EDUCATION

    The promise: An $18 billion plan that would encourage, but not mandate, universal pre-kindergarten; teacher pay raises tied to, although not based solely on, test scores; an overhaul of President Bush's No Child Left Behind law to better measure student progress, make room for subjects like music and art and be less punitive toward failing schools, and a tax credit to pay up to $4,000 of college costs for students who perform 100 hours of community service a year. Obama would pay for part of his plan by ending corporate tax deductions for CEO pay. He has backed away from his proposal to save money by delaying NASA's moon and Mars missions.

    The problem: With the budget stretched thin, a huge infusion of cash for early childhood education or college costs seems unlikely. Federal spending on education has already been rising for more than a decade. Congress and the White House will be in no hurry to tackle No Child Left Behind, which was due for a rewrite in 2007; the economy, the war and health care are stickier and more pressing concerns.

    Associated Press writers Tom Raum, Kevin Freking, Robert Burns, H. Josef Hebert, Matthew Lee and Libby Quaid contributed to this story.

    By Jim Drinkard
  17. Dutch

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    You make more than $250k a year and you drive an escort? :?
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    I do - and it's one of my 2 cars....
    So what if I truly don't feel like putting close to a $100 a week in my gas tank like some of these folks who have to show off.

    And both cars are paid for. I will never buy a new car again, what a waste of cash.
    I live in a great neighborhood in the North Shore of Chicago where my kids go to one of the best high schools that is in the state of Illinois and it is also one of the safest.

    The average house is well over $700K and it is mostly tree lined streets.

    I started making $8/hr at 18 years old and busted my a$$ (still to this day). So while most would run out and buy everything they can, I chose to live a simpler life that allows me to work out of my house, take the day off if needed, walk the J/Y to look for parts (we grew up working on cars / homes / anything) and I enjoy doing things with my own two hands instead of using my index finger calling someone to fix it for me.

    And yes, this is my 4th Escort. I have always owned one since 19. I like them, and they have been good to me.

    BUT, I do have one item I would love to splurdge on - and that is a 1969 Ford Shelby (Mustang) 500KR Convertible - Forest Green / White Interior.
    My dream car.....

    And what's wrong zipping around in a little 5-speed?
  19. Dutch

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    Good on you, then for not letting the $$$ turn your head....

    Nice.

    I want a '37 Chevy or '40 Ford pickup to do the street rod thing with. Someday....

    Nothing at all. Just a little unusual that you're not "financially challenged" like most of the rest of us....

    C ya,
    Dutch
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    Dude - it wasn't that long ago I barely made $40K a year...

    The last 16 or 17 years have always been tight, but now that the kids are getting older (17 and 14) we can breathe a little easier.

    Once the ex wife goes away in 4 more years (I will be saying that about the prez too ;) ) the sky is the limit!!!

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