aha. alright i found a deal on the Alpine type E 12'.... i wanted the type R '12 didn't have the rest of the $$$.. so i got a E let me tell you it sounds ten times better then my P2 rockford.. its hits so much harder on the jbl.600.1 now this is just a temp. im gonna step up to a hifonc amp and prolly a alpine type X sub. that thing shook the glass in the store. me so wants!