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Discussion in 'ICE (In Car Entertainment)' started by sexcort, Dec 14, 2007.

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    sexcort New Member

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    Looking for new ideas to make my system louder now i got a 80 dollar kenwood cd player and i was wondering. If i buy a better deck will it make my subs louder? I am thinking about buy a pioneer posibly pioneer premier deck are these any good? thanks jeff
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    yes in some cases it can, depending on the voltage of the RCA Pre-Outs
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    get a eclipse with at least the 5 volt pre outs. it will make your entire system sound better
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    you do have an amp for your subs right? the amp(s) have more to do with how loud it gets than the head unit does.
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    but your signal is produced at the headunit ot at the amp so you want a good signal. you can have a great amp with a crappy headunit and it will sound bad. but you put a great headunit with a decent amp and it will be amazing.

    headunit and wires are the most important part. wires especially important. never go cheap on those.

    chris
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    why would an eclipse deck with 5v preouts put out better sound quality than a nakamichi, alpine, kenwood, soundstream, or any other deck with high voltage preouts? Also wires are NOT the most important thing. A cheap set of rca's will work just as good as an expensive set. The most important thing is tuning and enclosure. You guys seriously need an experienced audiophile onboard here to stop the flow of misinformation. And im not talking about mr. home electrical wire, but someone who is here on a regular basis, that works in, or has been around the industry for a while and knows the proper way to do things.
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    i am an experienced audiophile. im a certified installer and i have built several competition winning systems.

    you can have a great enclosure and great subs but with poor quality wire it will sound like shit. i have many people in the industry that will back that up. including instructors at the installers institute.

    now as for the headunit. i am just recommending eclipse cause i have had nothing but success with them.

    nakimichi is great if you can afford it. alpine is good. if you get away from the headunits that are all gadgety and kenwood just plain sucks.

    so you can say you've been around if you want. i have been doing this stuff for 10 years now. and i have replaced many cheap rca's in systems and replaced them with just a middle line monster or phoenix gold and it was a world of difference.

    and yeah the enclosure is important, but most of these guys are just wanting loud, and alot use sealed enclosures which are real forgiving when it comes to needing to be accurately built.
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    ill agree with onequikscort on RCA's being important, but speaker wire and power wire i dont think would make a difference in SQ

    and if they are going for loud...why are they getting sealed enclosures?
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    Love these debates, and of course I'm an old fart and stuck in my ways too, but I learned from one of the best shops in Chicago metro area and combining this with my general cheaparse theory in diy, here goes:

    Best bang for you buck places to spend money on car audio... in order...
    speakers
    head unit
    amp
    sub
    sound deadening
    wiring (in order, RCA, power, speaker)
    enclosures

    This is all considering the average guy, especially on here, who has to work his way up to a nice system. Of course, spending as much as possible for each item helps. And, there are exceptions, if you find a killer deal on your wiring and it makes sense not to pass up on it, then go ahead with the purchase, but, I really mean killer deal, not just that they're having a 15% off sale at Best Buy lol.

    Bill.
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    yeah but if you have great speakers and a dual headunit and cheap rca's they arent going to sound good.

    chris
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    seriously? enclosures is at the bottom of your list? remind me never to go to you for advice...
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    Guys, remember this was the best bang for your buck list. It's a weighted list of where to spend your hard earned money, spend more for the things at the top of the list than those at the bottom and you'll end up with the best bang for your money. In audio utopia you'd have unlimited resources and unlimited choices, but in the real world most of us don't have either, so why not do the best you can with what you've got? With very few differences, a honest installer who knows what they're talking about would agree with my logic here. Again, we're not talking about some sponsored show car here or sons of rich dudes, remember what we drive? How many times have we seen or heard about one of us scoring that xyz sub or amp and it's just sitting on the shelf because now he's broke arse and can't even afford the wiring kit? I'm just forever tired of hearing all the pipe dream advice that gets tossed around here and the guys' still end up at WallyWorld buying their stuff. Why not give sound, solid, realistic advice? Ask the real and hard questions when someone asks for advice. Like #1 "How much money do you truly have in hand to put into your system?", and be honest in the answer guys. I'd rather steer someone in the right direction once and spend their money once.

    But, a dual head unit and great speakers and cheap RCAs are going to sound better than the Fordtastic stuff that's in your car to begin with. You may be right, but that dual head unit is likely better than the 16 year old stock head unit and would be an upgrade (at least you'd have cd/mp3). And honestly, the differences the average person could hear, in the typical music they listen to, with entry level RCAs over top of the line would be miniscule. And more honestly, where you run the RCAs and other little tricks to avoid interference is more important than maybe spending more to upgrade a level in quality. I thought you of all people would've jumped more on the amps, subs, enclosures rather than the RCAs.


    Yep, bottom of the list. I didn't say no enlcosure, b/c you'd definitely need one for your sub(s) when and if you get that far, notice I don't say enclosure before sub(s). But the truth is that an off the shelf $40 enclosure can be cheaply tuned to much better sub(s) to sound very good. Ask advice from anyone you'd like, but anyone who asks me for advice will get the no BS truth out of me and I tell them up front that I may not be the most up to the minute info guy on certain things but I'll steer you in the right direction.

    I'm just going to cut and paste all this and some of the other threads I've answered here over the years into one thread from the average guy diy perspective.
    Good luck and HTH, Bill.
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    I'd actually put the enclosure before the sub...

    A terrible enclosure can make even the best sub sound like garbage, whereas a great enclosure can make just about anything sound like a million bucks.

    I've had people tell me that my 2 8"s sound like 2 15"s because of my enclosure.
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    ive also built competition winning systems, ive used cheap interconnects and expensive ones, only real difference ive noticed is price, but then i dont have access to a scope to check the wave. If your install is done properly to begin with you dont need expensive ones. Beleive me or dont, whatever, doesnt really matter. I will agree with you that you can have great amps, subs, a good enclosure, with a cheap bargain basement HU and itll sound like crap. In my experience, the quality of the installer, components, and enclosure mean a hell of alot more than the quality of interconnects. I have to disagree with you kenwood just plain sucks comment. Any industry professional would know better than to make a blanket statement like that.

    billzie, i agree with everything youve said except the enclosure aspect. You have a very good outlook on the diy and budget system, but i think that a budget system with a little cash invested in a properly tuned and finished enclosure itll sound amazing and be nice and loud. With the right direction from a seasoned competitor, and some elbow grease a budget system can be awsome. Ive seen it happen, and ive made it happen. Ive seen a 1000wrms amp and 1 12" sub do 149 db. So again in my experience as far as subwoofers go, its all in the enclosure.
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    crap double post, neway i updated my sig if anyone wants to have a look :p
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    Citrate,
    thanks for the kind words, I knew I couldn't be alone on this.
    The reason I put enclosures last on the list is because of all of the aspects of installing a system, this is the one thing that the average guy probably can't do a great job with. Also, when comparing a basic $40-50 stock enclosure to a custom one that might be in the $250-400 range, it's easy to see why I'd say this coming from the average guy DIY perspective, and, basic enclosures if close in optimal volume can be tweaked with a few simple and cheap mods to perform much better than just off the shelf.
    Of course any custom install "should" be better than a driveway install, that's a no-brainer, but as I've always said, from the DIY and budget perspective, I believe all I've said to be true.
    Thanks for the input.
    Bill.
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    yeah but a driveway install when done properly and when you take your time and use the proper equipment and buy the right stuff the first time can make a world of difference.

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    that was my first install ever before i ever got any training and before i even knew about car audio. I took my time getting my stuff together and i bought the proper wiring for the isntall and it sounded amazing. i built everything myself and did the complete install.

    i used phoenix gold true balance rca's and phoenix gold amp kit.

    i am a true believer in using quality wiring, cause i have seen the difference personally in my cars and customers cars. i understand the budget consumers point of view. i dealt with them daily. Its the same in home audio, better cable equals better performance. plain and simple.

    and enclosure design is important for true audiphiles, but for the average guy and basic sealed enclosure usually works the best. we always had sealed enclosures we built on the shelves for just those customers. i guess it all depends on what you are after. if you are just wanting loud bass, and dont care about the quality of sound or how clear it is. you can use all the cheap stuff.

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