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This mighta been asked on here before, and maybe no one really knows. But the Focus is no Escort that's for sure. Why get rid of s car ppl like so much? Think they'll bring it back?
 

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I think ford got rid of the escort line because sales were dropping on it.Just like the dropped the tempo/topaz line and made the contour/mystique to replace that.They decided on the focus to replace the escort and probe lines and ultimately the contour line as well.thats what I think.
 

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Yea I don't think the zx2's sold as well as the original styles of Escorts. They shoulda just started making the old Escort style again. No offense to anyone with a Focus, but those things are funny lookin in the two door style especially. The zx2's were a lot better looking than that.
 

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The obvious answer is because of the Focus. and yes I think it's a dumb idea because the Focus is ugly and the first couple of years the car really sucked. Nothing like dropping a proven product that you have been working on for years to replace it with something of doubious quality.
 

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The Foci are like the same. :\ Same engines, etc. It's an Escort with a new name and new skin, essentially. (Okay that's sort of an over-generalization, but at least kinda close.) When/if my car dies and those are still being made I intend on buying one for my next car.
 

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This is kinda how it works...

The boys in Finance discover that the Escort's market share is unacceptable (based upon completely undefined and arbitrary criteria). The boys in Finance tell the Exec team, who promptly convene a meeting. The boys on the Exec team hold a closed doors meeting with the boys in Human Resources, who promptly fire half of the boys in Marketing. Then an order comes down to what is left of the boys in Marketing, who conduct a survey and collect some data. Then the boys in Marketing tell the boys in Engineering what is needed. The boys in Engineering scratch their heads, then return to the boys in Marketing to complain that they can't do what has been asked of them on the budget they've been given. Compromises are made, resulting in a car that meets nobody's needs and that none of the boys in Engineering, Finance, Marketing or the Exec team are happy with. The boys in Human Resources are happy all the time, because they don't have a clue what's going on.

Then the boys in Marketing sell their souls and produce a flashy ad campaign for a product that they no longer believe in, but must support for fear that the rest of them will be sacked.

Market share continues to dwindle. The Exec team consults with the boys in Marketing and the boys in Finance, after which half the boys in Engineering get their pink slips.

Much later, the boys in Finance discover that they made a simple mathematical error and the original market share and profit margins were actually quite enviable. The boys in Finance cover it up by shredding their records.
 

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The Escort is a great car. I was sad to see it go.

Unfortunatly, the Escort name was getting old. The Escort is no Mustang. When you see the name Mustang, you think of cars like the Mach1, Shelby, and Boss. You dont get that with the Escort.

Ford wanted a new "hip" name. The Focus was/is very popular in Europe. A new name, a new car.

Unfortunatly, they forgot about something. The Focus is ugly.

Sales on the Escort between the years of 1991 through 1996 were solid. They were one of the top 10 sellers.

New designers, new Ideas. Ford got into the Oval fever design with the Escort, Taurus, and Contour. The sales were dissapointing. They were all ugly. Sales proved it.

New name, new car.

Sales at Ford have never been the same. The Taurus is going to be killed, the Contour was killed, and so was the Escort.

Hopefully, the Ford Fivehundred will be a top seller again.

The new design of the Focus looks better, but it is still ugly.

Stupid move Ford!!!


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Hey... Thanks for calling my car ugly, bastard. :evil:































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The new Euro Focus (same chassis as the Mazda 3 and new Volvo S40) is just coming out in Europe.







Here in the US we're still getting the old focus, with new body panels. Don't be fooled, our 'New' focus is the 'Old' focus.

Same now as it was then: You can get a better model of the car at a Mazda dealership. The only advantages of the Escort over the Protege were that you could get a Wagon or a Coupe and that you could have it serviced at the Ford dealer on any street corner.

The only late model car left that was a worthy comparison to our Escorts (in price, driving experience and ownership experience) were the last generation Proteges... which were discontinued early this year/late last year.

If I were to buy something to directly replace my wagon today, I'd have a hard time finding anything comparible. The focus wagon is poorly packaged. The Mazda 3 is too small. I might actually have to look to the scion Xb (b stands for Box on wheels) to get similar economy & utility... and I don't like them. I plan to keep the wagon in my possession until I can't drive any longer... it just makes too much sense.. it's just does everything too well to trade it in for something that comprimises.
 

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Problem with the Scions is that they are too new and almost no dealers for them (unless you ca go to your local Toyota Dealer to get them). Otherwise the only comparible car really is a Hyundai Tribulon or maybe a Cavalier.
 

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Wow. Yea I think Ford did make a bad move when they changed the body style of the Escort. Rather than do a really cool market campaign of bringing back the way it was they got rid of it. I'm sure sales of a "classic" Escort would have much outweighed that of the Focus. People love it when old styles or types of cars come back. I'll bet they coulda done a good bit with a spin on the style of the 91's or around then. Those old spoilers were sweet.

I'm super sick of this rounding cars thing. Yea aerodynamics but soon all of em will just be bubbles with different names. HighandDry I like your lil story of what happened down at Ford's when they made all these silly decisions. Folk's just don't know how to do research properly or intrepret their own dang results once they have.

The Focus in the two door style looks too much like a Festiva or something. Maybe someone at Ford will have a lightbulb in their head go on and they'll one day realize that this is a car that should be brought back. They've done it before so they might do it in this case too.

It may not be a Mustang but it's still a car with alotta fans. Sorry to those insulted that have the Focus, but you know how it is. It's just not the same. We should all get together with all the scort fans and go to Ford and have a bring back the scort rally LOL! :)
 

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Wow. Yea I think Ford did make a bad move when they changed the body style of the Escort. Rather than do a really cool market campaign of bringing back the way it was they got rid of it. I'm sure sales of a "classic" Escort would have much outweighed that of the Focus. People love it when old styles or types of cars come back. I'll bet they coulda done a good bit with a spin on the style of the 91's or around then. Those old spoilers were sweet.

I'm super sick of this rounding cars thing. Yea aerodynamics but soon all of em will just be bubbles with different names. HighandDry I like your lil story of what happened down at Ford's when they made all these silly decisions. Folk's just don't know how to do research properly or intrepret their own dang results once they have.

The Focus in the two door style looks too much like a Festiva or something. Maybe someone at Ford will have a lightbulb in their head go on and they'll one day realize that this is a car that should be brought back. They've done it before so they might do it in this case too.

It may not be a Mustang but it's still a car with alotta fans. Sorry to those insulted that have the Focus, but you know how it is. It's just not the same. We should all get together with all the scort fans and go to Ford and have a bring back the scort rally LOL! :)
I like my roundy car. :p The 2nd Gen Escort that people wanna see brought back really isn't old enough to be 'classic' like the mustang. There's still enough of them so that if someone wanted one they could and can go buy it. You can't really just look in the paper and buy a 60's mustang for 2 grand (not and have it be in good shape). Stuff moves on. I'm sad to see it go, but... That's the way things roll. The 'roundy' style is over, by the way, the Focus is more geometric than bubbly. When I think of 'round...' you can't get much more round than my car. :p The new trend is to have sharp creases in your sheet metal. I think this was started with the Audi TT, and has kinda carried through everything.

In any business you have to change or get left behind and Ford was getting left behind. Primarily, I've heard that the Europeans really liked the round style, and so they brought it on over here, starting with the Contour? (Guess they don't have Escorts over there but even so.) -.- Bringing back the old style would be a mistake. They wouldn't sell very many because... Well... It's an Escort. Why buy that body style new when there's umpteen billion of them on the road already, and every review I've read (and my own experience, though you can't really drive the hell out of a car with the salesman sitting in the seat next to you) said that they had less body rigidity and sloppier handling than the new style, and that the build quality on the new style was also much better? :? They nixed the Escort simply because they had two cars competing for the same category, with the same engines, etc, and it didn't really make sense to pay for all the extra tooling, I'd imagine. This would've happened even if the 2nd gen styles were still around.
 

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The salesman I deal with will let me beat the cars on the road.

We took a 2003 Mach1 Mustang for a ride. Got rubber in 4 gears. I couldn't try 5th gear because I had to slow down. That thing is a monster.

The trick is getting to know a younger salesman. Stop by to BS with him once in a while and ONLY talk to him. The other slaesman will leave you alone.

Of course, buying 7 cars from the same dealer in 2 years helps also. ;-)


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Well, he didn't say anything when I did 80 in a 60, but I didn't wanna throw him around too much on the corners. :? I couldn't really feel it on the sedan (five speed) I test drove, but I know my car has some slight push in the corners that you have to be careful of sometimes, and I'm told the 2nd gens have a little more of it, tending towards understeer. I'd like to see if that's true or not. And keep in mind I was like, 18 when I was doing this. He wasn't even /supposed/ to be letting me drive the thing. :\ We didn't end up buying it because we found my car for a grand more, it had less mileage and a CD changer, also with the manual. I didn't even get to test drive it, though, my mom did. -.- I drove it home from the dealer.
 

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Problem with the Scions is that they are too new and almost no dealers for them (unless you ca go to your local Toyota Dealer to get them). Otherwise the only comparible car really is a Hyundai Tribulon or maybe a Cavalier.
tiburon is a piece of ****. they drive like crap, and the v6 model doesn't even really feel fast. my brother in law's experience with it was when he took one for a test drive, and it had 30k miles on it..... THE TEST CAR. and it was a piece of shit.
 

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The Scions are all over the place here in St. Louis. I've seen a bunch on the streets and all the big Toyota dealers have them sitting out front. I don't think they're selling as many as they thought though. They have that little Corolla engine in them... I like the way the big boxy one looks but I don't think I'd buy it, 'cause it's so underpowered.
 

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The Scions are all over the place here in St. Louis. I've seen a bunch on the streets and all the big Toyota dealers have them sitting out front. I don't think they're selling as many as they thought though. They have that little Corolla engine in them... I like the way the big boxy one looks but I don't think I'd buy it, 'cause it's so underpowered.
yeah, it's more of a novelty item..... if i bought one though, i'd chop the roof, lower it down, and put a twin turbo v-6 in it
 

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depends on which SCion you're talking about. The TC has the four cylinder from the camry in it which is horribly underrated as an engine. The optional supercharger is defintely worth it.

The A and B models, I wouldn't give you two cents for and I work for Toyota as a mechanic.

Celica's being dropped next year, in the next couple years the Tacoma's being dopped, this year heir's introducing the X-Runner, a weird chopped down sport model of a forerunner, from what it looks like. I asked someone in zone office about a replacement for the celica and got the same rumour that's being passed around everywhere else, the Supra's coming back but it doesn't fit in with Toyota's corporate strategy. They're not tuner oriented, they're middle class orientated with comfort and quality in mind. The solara is "sporty" but incredibly heavy.

The Corolla XRs is a bold step but decidely lacking. A solid rear beam axle doesn't suit the car's handling even after they dropped and tuned the spring rates for less comfort and better handling. IMO, if I were to buy one, I'd look for an all wheel drive matrix in a scrap yard and get the IRS setup off it and swap it. Then you'll defintely notice some improvements in handling. As it stands, my escort with less power and swapped sway bars from a wagon but stock ride height kicks the crap out of everything but the celica in the handling department.
 
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