Geez I was wondering when someone would say something :? . They don't show up to me either. I clean the cache all the time. My personal webspace is down. I called Sympatico and they have the servers off line. Should be working today. It'll be over 24 hours and that's not good Usually it's dead reliable :roll:Slapyo said:speaking of avatars ... madbrad ... you gotta fix your avatar and your signature so they show up. they probably show up for you because they are in your cache. but they don't show up to anyone else.