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Correct, none of my cams have any part numbers on them so all there is to go off of is the vintage FOMOCO box assuming you have one, NOS NIB OEM 1.9 cams are a rare sight.

I see NOS NIB OEM 1.6 cams everyday though lol
 

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"Yeah a 1987 cam, that last digit indicates which grind it is
I think A was CFI flat-tappet, B was EFI HO flat-tappet, C was CFI roller-lifter, D was EFI HO roller-lifter. If I'm wrong hopefully someone will chip in, I might have the letters wrong but that's what it's for, it's pretty neat!"

Thanks for that information. I didn't know what the correct suffix designation was for my 1.9 CFI, and just went with the Ebay seller's description. Looks like I got the correct one!
Well, I should have looked the part number up before I ordered the Ebay camshaft. Looks like I ended up with one for use with roller tappets. The correct one for my flat tappet 1.9L CFI engine is E7FZ-6250-C. I'll attach the page from the Parts manual with the complete listing for 1.9L, 1985 - 1989 engines.
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Too bad about the wrong cam, but that chart you posted is interesting.
Seems they made camshafts with oversize journals in case you needed to clean up (overbore) the bearing surfaces in the head.
 

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All is not lost, the roller cams are so much better than the solids as far as reliability & mileage goes, and for the CFI cams the roller has a definite duration & lift advantage over the solids - but if you can't convert the head then yeah you'll want a solid cam (1.9 carb, early 1.9 CFI, early 1.9 EFI HO).

Very neat chart! Do you have others for the CVH engines? Or maybe even suspension/brakes?
Yeah there are oversized cams out there, pretty rare but you have to watch for them because they always seem to show up when you don't want them haha
 

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I think that unless you are a machinist who can do it yourself, it would be cost prohibitive to have the head machined for retainers for roller lifters.
But just maybe that 1987 head is machined for this, even though it came with a flat tappet setup?
 

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I think that unless you are a machinist who can do it yourself, it would be cost prohibitive to have the head machined for retainers for roller lifters.
But just maybe that 1987 head is machined for this, even though it came with a flat tappet setup?
Yeah some point in 87 the heads were all machined for the roller retainers but not all heads got the roller hardware. It's easy enough to convert them at home, just takes time and plenty of patience. Have to file/sand the tops of the lifter bores flat to match the retainers and you're done! But you'd want to have a roller head nearby to have something to replicate your progress off of - to make sure you're not going too deep/shallow and are getting the correct angles.
 

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Yeah some point in 87 the heads were all machined for the roller retainers but not all heads got the roller hardware. It's easy enough to convert them at home, just takes time and plenty of patience. Have to file/sand the tops of the lifter bores flat to match the retainers and you're done! But you'd want to have a roller head nearby to have something to replicate your progress off of - to make sure you're not going too deep/shallow and are getting the correct angles.
umm the roller parts drop right into a flat lifter head. I swapped many erlyer falt 1.9 heads to roller heads. even pre87
 

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All is not lost, the roller cams are so much better than the solids as far as reliability & mileage goes, and for the CFI cams the roller has a definite duration & lift advantage over the solids - but if you can't convert the head then yeah you'll want a solid cam (1.9 carb, early 1.9 CFI, early 1.9 EFI HO).

Very neat chart! Do you have others for the CVH engines? Or maybe even suspension/brakes?
Yeah there are oversized cams out there, pretty rare but you have to watch for them because they always seem to show up when you don't want them haha
I got the chart from the electronic version of the Ford Parts Manual that is available from some suppliers. I figured it would be okay to post the occasional information from the Parts Manual, under the fair use provisions of the copyright laws. As I mentioned, I should have checked this chart before ordering the Ebay camshaft, but I've found that it takes a lot of scrolling in order to find the correct page of the Manual, so I tend to order things without checking first. My own fault for being lazy - LOL!


The original cylinder head was scrapped after the car overheated, but I have another one from a wrecking yard. Plus I have a complete 1.9L CFI engine with ATX transmission from another wrecking yard. I'll check both to see if I can use the roller cam, or convert them if possible. Plus, there is a flat tappet camshaft on Ebay for about $45.00 now, which is pretty inexpensive. So I can have one of each, and decide later.
 

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umm the roller parts drop right into a flat lifter head. I swapped many erlyer falt 1.9 heads to roller heads. even pre87
True, but then the only thing holding the lifters from spinning is the roller pushing against the cam lobe under spring tension. If the spring pressure ever drops, such as when a lifter sticks a little, the lifter will rotate, quite possibly causing lifter and cam lobe damage.
 

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True, but then the only thing holding the lifters from spinning is the roller pushing against the cam lobe under spring tension. If the spring pressure ever drops, such as when a lifter sticks a little, the lifter will rotate, quite possibly causing lifter and cam lobe damage.
well yeah that can happen if you don't put the right retainers on.
 

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umm the roller parts drop right into a flat lifter head. I swapped many erlyer falt 1.9 heads to roller heads. even pre87
Any with machined tops of the lifter bores can be converted without any issue, most that lack the machining on the tops of the lifter bores are too tall for the retainers to sit flat on. I have a couple heads that seem to be good enough to fit the lifter retainers on without machining but the overlapped section for sure needs addressing to fit the retainers.

Video on flat-tappet vs roller-lifter valvetrains coming soonish for those interested!
 

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There it is!
Any numbers on it?
I've been looking through the Parts Manual to try to find the orderable part number for this plastic rod, but not much luck so far. What I HAVE found are two exploded diagrams (for 1987 1.9L engines) showing the part, and listing it as Group number 6B273. The Master Chassis Parts Index says this group is the "Rod (Camshaft Oil Flow Control)." But when I go to the Parts Manual with this group number - and look under the section for 1.9L engines, I cannot find this as a separately orderable part, which it clearly must be.
In the two exploded diagrams that I found, the camshaft is noted as Group 6250 in one and Group 6251 in the other. In the chart that I posted earlier (showing the 1.9L Camshafts) Group 6250 is listed as "Camshaft Assy," but 6251 is not listed at all. So I'm guessing that the 6250 Group number is the camshaft with the plastic rod, and perhaps the 6251 is the Group number for the camshaft alone.
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It's part F1CZ-6B273-A, there's a link to a source to buy it in post #6 if your local Ford dealer can't source it.

That part is supposedly 1991 up, but I can't see why it would not fit the earlier cam with similar journal sizes.
 

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It's part F1CZ-6B273-A, there's a link to a source to buy it in post #6 if your local Ford dealer can't source it.

That part is supposedly 1991 up, but I can't see why it would not fit the earlier cam with similar journal sizes.
Oops, I missed your earlier description with part number, Joey. Sorry about that. I'm not sure why the electronic parts book does not have it (unless I just don't know where to look).
 

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Well, it turns out that not all 1.9L camshafts have this rod in them, although I don't know for sure which ones do and do not. From my earlier post, I purchased a NOS E7FZ-6250-A cam, thinking it was for a flat lifter. It turned out to be the cam for roller lifters, and has the oil flow control rod in it. Here's a picture of the end of the cam showing the cap holding the rod in:
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I just received a NOS E7FZ-6250-C camshaft, which IS for a flat lifter, and it does not seem to have the rod, or a visible cap on the end. I have no idea if anything is in the center bore of the camshaft, but there seems to be some sort of plug at the ends. And it doesn't rattle like the other cam does when you shake it. Here's a picture of the distributor end:
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Are the flat tappet cams that apparently don't have the rod in them, hollow? And does oil travel through them, meaning they would quickly fill up with oil in a running engine?
 

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the rattling thing is a plastic dowel, designed to fill the void in order to get oil pressure up quicker. have not read through all of this thread yet.
 

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Are the flat tappet cams that apparently don't have the rod in them, hollow? And does oil travel through them, meaning they would quickly fill up with oil in a running engine?
So far that's all I've found, all the cams are hollow it just seems that all the roller cams have the loose rod inserted while the flat tappet cams are empty
 
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