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i have decided to purchase an escort to start modifying as a project / weekend car ... but i can not decide for sure which one i want to get ...

i am thinking a 91 to 96 model ... likely a GT ... are there any other models out there i should look for? (i am in the US)...

on a side note .. the cosworth escort ... was that based off a pre 91 escort .. haven't found a lot of information in my searches ... or was there several different year models used?... (i like the looks of it is the reason i am asking)
 

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For me, picking a gen 2 egt was easy. :D

I dig the old school look of the gaudy 3 piece spoiler and the huge rocker panel extensions that continue on up to the rear quarter panels.

So it all comes down to your choice. The 93 up is cleaner and the 91-92 is ghaudy and old school.

But take it from me, don't by red. Man, I wish I had a clearcoat.

- Hutch
 

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It's best to realize that the 1st gens were Fords, and while you can import Cosworth parts through BAT, the Cosworths were never sold in the US. All 1st gen engines were SOHC Ford CVH motors.. the GT had the best flowing head over a 1.9L block.. and then there was the Escort Turbo with a 1.6L CVH motor which is a rare find these days.

2nd and 3rd gen Fords were based off of a mazda protege chassis and the 2nd gen Escort GT and Tracer LTS used the Mazda 1.8L BP motor. Those two models also came with 4 wheel disc brakes. The BP motors feature forged internals and are a great place to start with for a racecar or well tuned street car. 2nd gen Escort LXs use an economy tuned low rev 1.9L CVH, and while torquey, are matched to gearboxes with tall gearing and put out less than 90hp stock.

The 3rd gen Escorts came in 2.0L ford SPI (a better flowing CVH) economy sedan form and 2dr ZX2 form. The ZX2s came with DOHC Zetec engines that are now used in the middle range Focus. The Zetec motors have a few more ponies than the mazda BP, but the ZX2 weighs a bit more than the 2nd gen cars.

If I were you I'd opt for a 91-96 GT model or Tracer LTS. The LTS is one of the best sleepers ever conceived with it's sedan packaging. Considering the nominal price difference between the CVH powered scorts and the BP powered scorts.. you'd be an idiot not buy a nice GT or LTS over an LX.
 

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While I agree with Beaver about gettin a GT/LTS if going with 2nd generation, I'd have to go with searching long and hard for a 323 GTX AWD. 180 hp 1.6L I4, same block as the 1.8.

Even better sleeper than an LTS. :wink:
 

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i will have to look up the LTS never heard of it before...

i know the cosworth was never available in the US i just like the visual apperance of it .. and would consider having the same basic look on whatever escort i decide on ... that is why i was curious on what year or gen escort they were based on ...

i like the boxy but smooth corners look of the i guess it would be 3rd gen ... a little more then the 2nd gen ... but since they are both older models while i am looking i would be open to either of them ...

it sounds like the GT is what i will be looking for ... i did not realize it was based on a mazda platform/engine .. that would make finding parts or upgrades easier with the larger market ...

is there a good technical site that breaks down each year and what they had and were equipped with motor / tranny /brake wise? ... or is it mostly just searching through posts to find that information? ...

my goal is a street / rally car that will be pushed hard from time to time ...

hehe as for color whatever i get will likely get repainted less it has a great paint job to begin with ... either black or a silver color ...
 

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James92Scort said:
While I agree with Beaver about gettin a GT/LTS if going with 2nd generation, I'd have to go with searching long and hard for a 323 GTX AWD. 180 hp 1.6L I4, same block as the 1.8.

Even better sleeper than an LTS. :wink:
speaking of 323 GTX awd .. there is one in town i have been eyeing for a while now .. person uses it to deliver papers :p ... i have tried numerous times to buy it off of them with no luck .. but my eye will always be open when they do decide to sell it or trash it for a newer car.
 

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Beaverboy said:
.. you'd be an idiot not buy a nice GT or LTS over an LX.
A few trips to the junk yard and online used parts and my lx SOHC can take 95% of the GT's here in the 1/4 mile, With my stock 13" tires

So the LX/Pony's are not hopeless

Take a look at my cardomain sight if you want to consider the LX, there's more of them, there cheaper to buy and should be cheaper to insure.
 

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is there a good technical site that breaks down each year and what they had and were equipped with motor / tranny /brake wise? ... or is it mostly just searching through posts to find that information? ...
1st generation Escort

LX & Pony: 1.9L SOHC I4 CVH?
88 hp
107 ft lbs
front discs, rear drums

GT: 1.9L HO SOHC I4 SEFI?
110 hp
115 ft lbs
front discs, rear drums

2nd generation Escort

LX & Pony: 1.9L SOHC I4 CVH
88 hp
107 ft lbs
front discs, rear drums,
Pony has no power steering, no AC

GT: 1.8L DOHC I4 EFI
127 hp
114 ft lbs
4 wheel discs

3rd generation Escort

SE (LX?) sedan: 2.0L SOHC I4 SPI
110 hp
125 ft lbs
front discs, rear drums

ZX2 Coupe: 2.0L DOHC I4 Zetec
125 hp
127 ft lbs
front discs, rear drums (I think)

Generation ZX2 (4th)

Coupe: 2.0L DOHC I4 SPI & Zetec
130 hp
127 ft lbs
front discs, rear drums (I think)

Related Models to the 2nd generation GT:
90-94 Protege LX (I can't remember, 1.6L DOHC, or 1.8L DOHC??)
91-95 Tracer LTS (1.8L DOHC motor)
later model Miata 1.8s

Note: If I'm wrong with any of the hp/tq levels, someone please correct me, because I know I'm off on a few.
 

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Jeff your site has a lot of the information i was looking for ... :)

okay i am going to try to shoot for a 93 to 96 model ... the GT or LX will depend mostly on the condition of what i find ... i would prefer the GT for the brakes but those could always be swapped out later on ...

for my plans i would actually prefer an auto over a manual ... but that is based on past experience of durability of fwd trannys with power ...

is the mtx stronger then the atx ? .. or is there a different tranny that can be swapped in that is stronger?

the A/C and PS i will ditch in whatever car i end up with ...
 

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Flea said:
for my plans i would actually prefer an auto over a manual ... but that is based on past experience of durability of fwd trannys with power ...

the A/C and PS i will ditch in whatever car i end up with ...
The Escort auto tranny has a hard nuff time handeling 88 hp..The auto is heavery, weaker and just slower.

IF you do decide to go with the LX, get a Pony, they allready have a manual steering rack, no A/C and other stuff
 

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okay wasn't sure on the escort atx ...

i will look for the models ... but honestly i have never seen a pony model before in arkansas or louisiana ... it is possible i have but didn't know it .. i know the ones i have worked on in the past for people (engine work and stereo work) had PS and A/C ...

most of the ones that are for sale around here are 600 to 1000 in price .. for a 93 to 95 model .. after 95 the price goes up a bit more ... going to look around at them a bit closer .. and start asking people who have them sitting in their yard .. to see what kind of deal i can work out with them ...

finished my last project car and sold it off ... so its time to pick up a new one ...
 

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Flea:

If high power is your game then the 2gen GT ATX is the way to go. Denis (aka onegimp) uses one on his turbo car. He has it detuned a bit but it was running upto 18 PSI for a while. I found a couple rebuild kits that should allow it to handle 7-800 HP. Obviously auto trannies are the way to go if you are drag racing a turbo car. The Manuals can handle 250-300 HP without much trouble but in that range I'd start looking into having it beefed up if you are really after the power figures.
 
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