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What did you do to your 3rd gen today??

Discussion in '3rd Gen 1997-2002 2.0L SOHC' started by ndlm8888, Aug 2, 2013.

  1. kanak

    kanak FEOA Donator

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    Studs make a Subaru or Jeep into a Winter Soldier -- watched droves of them rush out every T-giving in Seattle to make big bank on moneybags drilling their Q7s or M5s or S65 AMGs into ditches. Couldn't be arsed to pay $500 for winter tires, would rather pay $4K in body and undercarriage damage. :rolleyes:

    Made it through six winters there without snow tires on my Paseo... but it weighed 2000 lbs soaking wet plus I had time driving in Germany. Loved how that car seemed to somehow get traction way past expectations, skipping over snow that would high-center a heavier FWD vehicle. :)
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    Um, for those vehicles a set of snow tires will easily run over $1000, if you can ever find them in those sizes. Still cheaper than the damages from going off the road though.
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    ShakeZilla19 My name is ^^^

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    I have some cheap tiger paw snow tires(with studs) like 175mm wide skinnies. They make the Escort handle like a dream; lock-ups are almost non-existent, hill stop 'n goes easy(stick), pretty much like driving in the summer.
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  4. James Nguyen

    James Nguyen Technology Will Rule The World One Day

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    you have that filter on the cover. what is it for and is that an after market mod? sorry im still slightly new to the world of automechanics.
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    kanak FEOA Donator

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    Seriously? Wow, have I been behind in snowbelt gear tech lately... :nailbiting:

    Well, a grand isn't chump change... but then again it's a bargain compared to lower resale value from a bent front subframe or if you're more unlucky front AND rear damage with a fellow winter SUV drivers, then a dive into the ditch. It's not as if you have to get the same size winters in the donk profiles the upscale model German yachts have -- get puffy hi-pro steelies for the winter; they usually last more than a season. If that's still a grand though, ***k me, that's expensive. :jaw drop:
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  6. kanak

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    Narrower tires for snow drivin'... reminds me of the frisbees the WRC cars have on during Rally Sweden. Finnish-flickin' BGs are win. :D:thumbsup:

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    ndlm8888 scortin daily

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    Its for the crank case ventilation system (pcv). Its a Breather filter.
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    James Nguyen Technology Will Rule The World One Day

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    Intresting. So you just took the valve pipe off and added the filter? Or am i making it seem too easy. What are performance advantages of that set up?
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    ndlm8888 scortin daily

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    No performance gain. Just a filter instead of connecting to intake with one-way valve.
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    On my last car, the PCV valve was a chimney style with a 90º fitting and a small hose about 6" long. I'd read about some posters being able to keep a lot of the grime out of their intakes by splicing in an inline fuel filter -- it lets through the flammable gas a PCV is supposed to be recycling without also passing the oil mist that sludges intakes (worked very well on my car). On ndlm's car the PCV routing is swapped with a breather filter, just to catch that oil mist.

    Other more enterprising posters on my old forums, had also devised a catch tank in the same place -- even more useful, as when made correctly will not only catch oil mist, but also the steam that forms during the combustion process and leaks past the rings into the crankcase. Why bother? Because water + combustion byproducts = acids, which will etch cylinder walls. I know on that little 5E-FE 1.5L engine, some owners could catch the equivalent of a mayonnaise jar of water in a single week (mostly those who didn't run their cars more than ten minutes every use)... made for smoother running and better mpg as well. Biggest challenge is to check valve it so it doesn't suck water ever, and where to mount it.
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    James Nguyen Technology Will Rule The World One Day

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    If you dont mind me asking, what filter and setup did you use?
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    ShakeZilla19 My name is ^^^

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    Rally is so sexy, ice rally is starting up here. I would join, but I don't have a cage :(
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    ndlm8888 scortin daily

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    ^its the intake filter for the pcv.
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    U can see my pcv hose running from by header to intake manifold. And have a inline oil filter to catch the oil plow by
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    ndlm8888 scortin daily

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    ShakeZilla19 My name is ^^^

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    ^I melted the black piece down and used it as filler for my fog light project XD.
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    EDITED: holy moly... Ford calls a one-way valve and hose from the valve cover to the intake, an 'air cleaner outlet tube'. What does that mean, what does it do, and why does it need a valve again?

    Redacted all my claims about the EGR vs. PCV -- Ford has a much more complicated system for crankcase ventilation than I'm used to, I suppose... PCV is lower down on the engine. At a loss for why... but that's how it is. :facepalm:
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    ndlm8888 scortin daily

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    On the 97 escort that is the intake flow I believe I could be wrong but hasn't caused me any problems. The pcv valve is next to the header.
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    My egr is now routed to the air intake instead of the exhaust manifold.
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    ndlm8888, were did you get the header for the 2.0 sohc? and can you explain what rerouting the EGR does. Where is your battery with the cold intake there.?
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    Speaking of vacuum leaks... :doctor:

    Got a few minutes today to fix the cracked stock PCV air cleaner outlet hose on my '99, which has that silly driver's side elbow that guaranteed to crack getting off the intake tube (if the tube port doesn't crack first). Ford hasn't carried it for at least five years (at least at my ghetto dealer). NAPA however sells a coolant hose with a similar elbow in the same-size diameter, so $10, new one on, 'proofed further with a couple of zipties...

    The old one wasn't badly cracked... but rocky enough that everytime I pulled the intake tube for service it cracked a bit more. When inquiring about swapping it at NAPA (an island of 150K people doesn't have the 'luxury' of choice in DIY auto parts stores you mainlanders take for granted :p ), the sales droid claimed PCV hoses were special and that coolant hoses used as such would live very short lives (riiiiight... maybe for diesels :rolleyes: ). Pulling the old one, there was a white coating on the inside of it on the valve cover side, but was flexible & otherwise identical to a coolant hose, which is already rated to over 270 degF (SAE 20R3 and 20R4). The PCV plastic valve there seemed fine as well. So if the heat in this hose actually got high enough to rock up rubber (300+ degF), it didn't do it often enough to hurt anything. Besides, even if it failed every year, it's only $10 to swap it.

    Fit perfectly (NAPA pt# 10801, Gates 18801) when trimmed to length. Went for a drive to see what was what...

    I'll be dammited... right out of the NAPA parking lot warm, response seemed to go down a hair, but the car became very smooth, esp off-idle and on trailing throttle. If madmatt2024's theory about protective richness in PCM mapping is correct, that's what caused a slight fat feeling to return (and why the car with a leaking PCV air cleaner outlet hose, felt more powerful off the line -- the MAF was measuring airflow low, as extra O2 leaked in upstream at the PCV air cleaner outlet port on the intake tube, making the motor run lean). But once the engine shook around a bit and that cracked hose leaked randomly more or less air, the O2 sensors would try to adjust for conditions that were too chaotic -- wasting vast amounts of fuel...

    I know this, since on my test drive of ~24 mi, the A/C was on the whole time, and the car seemed to shrug it off (much like it does after you reconnect the battery after a service). Under the exact same conditions, I've watched my fuel needle go a quarter of a quarter tank on the same drive, A/C on. That's 21 mpg, horrible on a mostly-highway, 55-mph run. But after the fix, not only did the car not drop as much power at cruising speeds, but got way less thirsty. First time that's happened with this car -- it would get okay mileage on long drives with the A/C off, but never with it on.

    Not to mention, the off-idle stutter's no longer a stutter -- it's a tiny hiccup now. Still there, still due to broken mount rocking... but no more one-one-thousand masturbation pause, until the wheels finally pull me forward. :nailbiting: Trans likes the tighter, smoother engine output as well (think it was either Intuit or zzyzzx who clued me in to the F4EAT autos hating flaky engine output -- this proves that hunch right).

    Also noticed other things strong vacuum improved -- the brakes most noticeably. Even HVAC controls sound different, as the doors are vacuum-operated (not as noisy and slightly faster-acting now).

    Betcha didn't think a PCV air cleaner outlet hose elbow could affect your car's demeanor so negatively, huh? Thought I had it covered... apparently not. Thanks a bunch Ford, for not letting aftermarket suppliers sell this part... but the alternative luckily is $10 (prolly $5-$6 anywhere else), snip-snip and on. :thumbsup:

    EDIT: changed all instances of PCV to correct 'air cleaner outlet', whatever that is. Truthified. :sorry::thumbsup:
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  20. ndlm8888

    ndlm8888 scortin daily

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    There is good info here
    http://mechdb.com/index.php/Ford_Escort_&_ZX2

    This is how to reroute egr but does mess with idle quite a bit. Do at own risk....

    http://mechdb.com/index.php/Ford_Escort_EGR_elimination

    Its a h.o. header off a 1.9 1st gen escort
    http://mechdb.com/index.php/Ford_Escort_ho_headers_fitment

    Edit: battery is in trunk. Cold air is not complete still need to make a block off plate
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