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This is on a friends 95 LX auto... only sound is a click form a solenoid on the passanger side of the firewall

Any common problems like this before we go tearing into the car tomorrow? battery is good, all accessories work, put it in neutral, and park, and everything in between.. all fuses look good.. any suggestions?

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If you can hear the solenoid working, then it's your starter.

Pull it and have it rebuilt. I recommend you get them to replace the solenoid at the same time.
 

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my bad, not a solenoid, but a relay. There are two right next to each other on the fire wall. The solenoid would be on the starter. I hear nothing coming from that direction.
 

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Try hitting your starter with a hammer or somthing a couple of times but dont go ape $$$$ on it. Sometimes the armiture inside the starter gets stuck and it wont let the starter engage the flywheel, so if you hit it it might get it to work but if this works you still need a new starter.
 

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yeah, I was thinking about that, but wouldn't I get some sort of sound, click, whatever from the starter if it was getting any voltage at all? I need to find my multimeter and start poking around. Just seeign if this was a common problem due to a bad connection or something.

I'm gonna beat it down later today and update this.

Thanks guys
 

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Battery terminals... the relay clicks to start the starter, but the battery can't supply the juice to turn it. Just clean your battery posts and clamps and put everything back together and it should work.
 

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The most universal Escort starting problem is the ignition switch. Fixitmattman has posted a great ignition switch how-to on here. Do yourself a favour; find it and read it first. However, that's not your problem.

You can rap away on the starter lightly and it's gonna work for a while. Sooner or later (sooner), you're going to want that solenoid replaced. It'll only run you about $50. Getting the starter in and out on any vehicle is always a bit of a nuisance.

We just need massive hand-drawn recoils and a great big grunt to pull it every time.
 

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by solenoid you're refering to that little brown relay on the firewall?

I swapped it out last night thinking it was the problem.. it's kinda nice having a couple complete parts cars (95 LX 5-speed/ 97 wagon 5-speed if anyone needs any parts)

and the thing with the ignition is a bitch! had to have my tracer towed to my shop one night because of it locking up on me.. been driving around with the column and black steering wheel from my parts car for a few weeks now ::UGLY::

 

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No, the solenoid is attached to the starter. It's not fun to get at. Sorry, but I don't have a pic. You'll have to pull the starter to replace the solenoid.

And oh my God. You still have the factory cassette? Dude, don't ever let anyone see that. Black out that part of the pic.
 

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highanddry said:
And oh my God. You still have the factory cassette? Dude, don't ever let anyone see that. Black out that part of the pic.
lol, it's part of the look... people get so stunned by the factory deck that they completely miss the nitrous arming switch next to the air vent. :D

And as far as the starter goes, my friend is yanking it as we speak.. I think that was the problem.
 

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To make this quick, the cooling fan relay is connected to the start circuit. Don't as why, it just is.

-Try replacing/switching the COOLING FAN relay in the engine compartment fuse box.
-Try checking the terminal wire on the starter. The stock grey connector likes to corrode internally
-Try jumpering it at the starter, it should crank over
-Try feeding 12V to the lower left terminal of the cooling fan relay (coil out) if it cranks it's most likely the ignition switch, if it doesn't it's the wire between the coil on the cooling fan relay and the starter

Matt 8)
 

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To make this quick, the cooling fan relay is connected to the start circuit. Don't as why, it just is.

-Try replacing/switching the COOLING FAN relay in the engine compartment fuse box.
-Try checking the terminal wire on the starter. The stock grey connector likes to corrode internally
-Try jumpering it at the starter, it should crank over
-Try feeding 12V to the lower left terminal of the cooling fan relay (coil out) if it cranks it's most likely the ignition switch, if it doesn't it's the wire between the coil on the cooling fan relay and the starter

Matt 8)
Thanks alot!

I was just about to do a search for wiring diagrams tonight after swapping starters and poking around with everything under the hood/dash.
The only thing in that damn fuse box that I didn't replace/check was the cooling fan relay figuring that no one in their right mind would link the cooling fan to the starter.. I hope this works.

Thanks again!
 

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Georonimo said:
no one in their right mind would link the cooling fan to the starter.. I hope this works.
...yeah, that's fun. When my ignition switch blew up, it blew up in the run position, but wouldn't crank the car over. Seeing as how it's my only wheels, I used it to go get parts. Everytime I wanted to start the car I pulled that relay and put 12v to the proper terminal.

You should see the looks you get when your in a parking lot and have to open your hood and jumper stuff to start your car 8O

Matt 8)
 

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You should see the looks you get when your in a parking lot and have to open your hood and jumper stuff to start your car 8O

Matt 8)
haha, I've been there.. having driven a fox body mustang through out my broke high school/college days... drove around with a dead starter solenoid (inner fender mounted) and a screw driver for a a couple of weeks.. the best looks were at gas stations when all the sparks would shoot out from the initial contact.
 

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Crap. I hope you didn't go through all the trouble to pull the starter only to find out it was the cooling fan relay (the big clue that relay does more than the cooling fan is the fact that the relay is rated at 30 amps or something). Your cooling fan is 2-3 amps or so when running.

I got the blinders on from the start when you said your solenoid was clicking instead of the relay in the cabin. I thought you meant the engine side of the firewall (and the solenoid is pretty close to that). Sorry if I lead you astray.

I think you'll find the cooling fan really is your problem as Matt instructed.
 

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so it's not the starter.. and it's not the relay.. My friend is at my shop right now about to jump the relay at the box.. waiting to hear back from him..

..in the meantime, could some one explain to me what this "ignition switch problem" is?
I had to replace the one on my Tracer because it locked up and just wouldn't turn... are there other problems associated with that switch?
 

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...it was a loose connections in the steering column.. one of the wires running to the ignition switch managed to work it's way out of the connector a bit
 

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I had the same problem with my 95 LX, I replaced the cooloing fan relay as Matt said and I still have intermittent failure to start. I have replaced everything in the start circuit except the wiring itself and still have problems. When it does it, the only sound that I hear is the cooling fan running, which it never did before replacing the relay.

Any other ideas Matt?
 

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DWW722 said:
I had the same problem with my 95 LX, I replaced the cooloing fan relay as Matt said and I still have intermittent failure to start. I have replaced everything in the start circuit except the wiring itself and still have problems. When it does it, the only sound that I hear is the cooling fan running, which it never did before replacing the relay.

Any other ideas Matt?
What else in this list have you done?

-Try replacing/switching the COOLING FAN relay in the engine compartment fuse box.
-Try checking the terminal wire on the starter. The stock grey connector likes to corrode internally
-Try jumpering it at the starter, it should crank over
-Try feeding 12V to the lower left terminal of the cooling fan relay (coil out) if it cranks it's most likely the ignition switch, if it doesn't it's the wire between the coil on the cooling fan relay and the starter

Matt 8)
 
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