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TURBO PICS FINALLY!!

Discussion in 'Photo Forum' started by customescortgt, Oct 10, 2004.

  1. fixitmattman

    fixitmattman New Member

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    Pressure has a lot to do with return. If your return pressure is too high, usually higher than the reccommended oil supply pressure, you blow out your seals.

    Quote me where I critisized someone and I will promptly apologize.

    If the oil system in a turbo is not a sealed system where is the oil going then? It's a sealed system unless you blow out your oil seals.

    Anywhere there is going to be vacuum in the engine oil lubricating system is typically only going to be the vacuum side of the oil pump. Unless you add an oil cooler to the return line you'll be re-circulating hot oil. If you add an oil cooler to the return line, you'll increase the return pressure, and are even more likely to blow out your seals. It would be best for the return oil to go back to the oil pan to cool off.

    Back to the point of this thread:

    customescortgt, good work as usual :wink:

    I'm assuming you got that manifold off another BP engine of some sort since it's a direct bolt on. With that adapter you've only added about 1/2" or so to the manifold length correct? I think you'll be fine.


    But what the hell do I know. I'm just some shmuck who's never turbo'd a car and hasn't blow up 2 turbos :roll:

    Matt 8)
  2. FoRdEvO

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    OMG i was supposed to do the same setup too... with stock exhaust manifold......theres another problem on the setup too guys the front engine mount would be gone ,cuz turbos on the way.. and the turbo would be on the clutch slave cylinders way..r u going to be running a external or internal wastegate? ..does the waste actautor fit at the back ?......but all in all thats pretty sweet .o yah is that a vj11? n where did u get yer pipings? i need some XD
  3. Onegimp

    Onegimp New Member

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    Just about every turbo can only take so much oil pressure going into it before it blows the seals out. Then you are looking at a rebuild. The only way you can run a return turn line to run in a upwards direcction is if you rig up a pump to force it back into the oil pan. If you need to do that then you need to rethink your setup. But I guess I don't know shit about turbo setup's.
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    I suggest you guys listen to that man. He really does know his stuff. If i was turbo'ing a 1.8 then that would be one of the first ppl i would talk to. When you say in so many words that he think he knows it all. Well he does when it comes to getting hp out of a 1.8L .
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    pssshh.. he is like my sensie XD..
  6. martinarcher

    martinarcher FEOA Member

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    Well put. Theories are great on paper, but that is why they are theories and not laws. There are no "laws of auto modding", only laws of physics :lol: Don't get me wrong though - I think paper is a great place to start with ideas and calculate and predict how your car is going to run before you break out a wrech, but nothing substitutes for experience. I think that is the main reason we are all here - to give and gain just that -> experience.
  7. marclar

    marclar Moderator Staff Member

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    alrigh dude ur just going to have to trust me on this one. i went thru 2 sets of bearings and seals becsuse my turbo oil return had to go uphill. if its not able to free fall back in the pan, your gunna blow out seals.
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    Jeeesh. I'm just trying to come up with alternatives. Excuse me for trying to help. Apparently some people get extremely offended when I try to come up with alternatives. Did I ever say you were wrong? No, I didn't. I'm just trying to save the poor man the hassle of having to find a new manifold. But I guess I don't know **** about alternatives.
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    marclar Moderator Staff Member

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    stop arguing and leave it to the pro's.
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    It will blow trust me i have built turbo fords for about 10 years. A few talons a few supras and a few one off jobs. Its going to go ditch the manifold and start over. Just dont want u to throw money down the toilet. Call any big turbo shop and they will tell you. good luck
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    Siragan > everyone else (with the exception of me). . .

    The end.
  12. 92gt5spd

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    Hence the reason i even left in the first place... Majority of ppl are right, and not willing to listen to other ppl's advice and comments. It annoys me. Look at repair manuals for a perfect example. Haynes says to take the alternator of a GT between the control arm and axle...That takes alot of time and patience to do so....but is that the only way to solve the problem??? No, you can remove the 2 fuel sensors from their brackets that reside just above the alternator. Then remove the vacuum line running into the firewall and its a perfect way to remove the alternator.

    Point is, differnt approach to solve the same problem.

    But, i do think it would be safer/easier to just to cut a lil of the manifold back and put the flange higher up. Besides, you really want that thing sitting so close to the ground? Think about it, if oil pans can get cracked from rocks and such, and if the turbo is lower than the oil pan, then dont you think that its in a great spot for rocks to be hitting on it?
  13. Onegimp

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    My knoledge on 2nd gen escort gt's > both yours put together

    Like any one listens to me.
  14. xSwiggerx

    xSwiggerx New Member

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    You're a pretty modest guy, you know that?

    If you knew anything about Escorts, you'd know to spend your money on something better, not evo bumpers and hood scoops.
  15. neuspeedescort

    neuspeedescort Moderator Staff Member

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    dude you are barking up a tree you shouldn't have.

    xSwiggerx - see's sirgans post count mistakes it as the word! sirgan is smart but has not the knowledge of denis. no dis on sirgan tho.

    evo bumper allows better flow to FMIC (doesn't know what FMIC is "frount mount intercooler). hood scoops i see none?!?!?! hood vents yes! under them lay a gtx motor. supported by Haltech e6k self tuned! you better shut up before more people that care and know him see this. :evil:


    NEUMAN
  16. Onegimp

    Onegimp New Member

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    You sir can kiss my ass... You have no idea what I have did for the escort gt's. I have spent countless money and time fabing and trying different turbo systems to see what works and what dosen't. Any old school escort guy will know what I have done over the year, but there are almost none left. If you want to rely on some ones theoredical book bull crap no working real world appilcations over real world experiance then you are a bigger jerk off and need to get off penis. I have fab'd and built more then one set up and not on just escorts. Any real world tunner would agree on me, so unless you can prove me wrong then STFU!
  17. Caymen

    Caymen FEOA Member

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    I can vouch for Denis.

    We have both been members of the Escort GT mailing list on eGroups long before, ERDT, FEOA, NEPA (now dead), etc. were ever thought of. I have known about the 1996 EGT Denis has long before most of you guys even owned an Escort. Trust me.

    IIRC, the Escort GT mailing list has been around since something like 1998. I was one of the first members of that mailing list.

    Anyone remember Dustin Lane? I bet Denis does. So do I. How did FEOA get its name? I wonder if anyone here knows the real story.

    The only two I know of would be Denis and myself.

    Dont underestimate Denis. Trust me. He has done more with his car then anyone here. He has done things with his car that I plan on doing. I look up to him.

    He has my respect, in more ways than anyone here can imagine. If you can find a picture of him, you will understand what I mean.

    I cried the first time I seen a photograph of him.

    Denis, my hat is off to you.


    Tom
  18. Caymen

    Caymen FEOA Member

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    4/12/1998

    that was the first message on the EGT mailing list. Before that, it was hosted by "Blue Sky Creations" I can not even remember when that was started.


    Tom
  19. SgtRauksauff

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    f$cking A, guys. Denis offered a little helpful knowledge to the guy so he wouldn't blow his turbo seals and have to spend even more money on his project, and people start discounting the validity of his information? The man knows his stuff (like I know your momma..backwards, forwards, and upside down. lol! )

    You can make things work a lot of different ways. But usually, there's only a couple ways to do something right. Almost right is great for a lot of things, but high performance turbo engines isn't usually the place for 'almost'.

    I know that if I were starting on a turbo project, and did something that a more experienced person saw as a potential problem, I'd want them to let me know about it right away.

    There were a few alternatives offered, and they all have their merits. However, since he's using a stock BP manifold currently, I'm assuming he's trying to keep things inexpensive and simple. Complex pumps and needle valves and drilling and tapping other places on the engine might work, sure. but why not use the holes that are already there, and just let gravity drain the turbo, like every turbo I've ever seen on any car that I've looked at. (probably around 15-20, on all different makes and models from Acura to Volvo...)

    The way to keep things the least expensive and the least complex would be what? Probably fabbing up something using one of those log manifolds you can get.

    --sarge
  20. Caymen

    Caymen FEOA Member

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    Get a GTX manifold from Corksport. The cost is like $180.00. One turbo rebuild and you have already paid for it.

    I understand someone wanting to do a turbo job with as little investment as possible, but get real. A few extra bucks will save a bunch more in the long run.


    Tom

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