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Throttlebody coolant lines

Discussion in '3rd Gen 1997-2002 2.0L SOHC' started by F-16Wrench, Apr 17, 2007.

  1. F-16Wrench

    F-16Wrench FEOA Member

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    So, who's gonna be the first one to set up a cold-can w/ a cheap electric pump?
    And then actually test it a drag strip and post realworld comparisons?
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    in my opinion... at WOT the airflow is going to be so great that the amount of heat transferred from the heated throttle body to the passing air is going to be quite negligible.
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    quite right, but it will also chill the fuel inj's in theyre seats resulting in cooler fuel...... it would cool the manifdold at the head aswell, consider it a heat sink and NOT a cooler.

    I'll do it, I have that intake mani.. pump from Radio Shak should be no more than $10 to move enough fluid through 1/4" lines. I'll rig a can and see what the temp drop is prior to engine run and then see what it is at operating temp... give me a few days to post my info.

    edit- Im looking at 2 ideas.

    1- can in can of course, outside can water and ice w/50% antifreeze, inside can dry-ice filled.( dry ice is -109.3*F and turns to co2 as it "melts", no mess)

    2- can in can both ice filled w/ water wetter in outside can.(water wetter is already a heat sink)
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    i have a pump you could use for it. i bought it brand new for an AWIC setup but i decided its too small. if youre interested PM me
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    I may for the real deal if it works, but if I get the stuff today, I can do this all over this weekend! Info up by Monday am.
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    I pulled those coolant lines on my '99 SPI. I plugged the with bolts and zip ties. No noticeable improvement.

    They're still plugged, only 'cause I'm too lazy to hook them back up.

    Running a cold-can and pump will only heat up the cold-can, because the engine heat will heat up the fluid that is circulating, thus eventually warming up the can and rendering it useless.

    You'd be better off getting a couple phenolic spacers to go on either side of the IMRC.
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    Running a cold-can and pump will only heat up the cold-can, because the engine heat will heat up the fluid that is circulating

    Not if the can is INSIDE the car and the lines run through the firewall!

    Thousands of racers use cold cans for fuel cooling, and if you've ever felt ur fuel after running your car, ITS HOT! Cold cans are heat sinks, nothing more. Theyre supposed to get hot and become useless, its the entire idea of heat sinking u jack ass! Heat sinking is temp. unless ur using ceramics, then its a whole different story!

    btw jet-lee, cold cans go in ur trunk.
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    put the cold can wherever you want, it's still going to melt whatever ice you put in it.

    If you're wanting to do this for a drag-only purpose, ice the intake before you stage, same effect for that 16 seconds.

    Racers use it on fuel lines because the fuel doesn't recirculate and heatup the cold can. A radiators purpose is the same as a heat sink, does it not get boiling hot?

    Call me a jackass? I posses more knowledge in my pinky than your family combined, so quit trying to be a keyboard warrior and read.

    EDIT: by putting a cold can on your intake manifold, you're just making another radiator. Your radiator gets hot. I don't know how to put this any more plain.
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    ^^^Cold cans of... beer in your trunk? :lol: I kill me
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    Never know which states have what laws in regard to alcohol in the car, opened or not. Safer to just not do it, unless you're on a beer run.
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    first there jet-lee, I come from a large family of motor heads, 1 uncle runs a Model A street rod built by hand from a chassis only..... another runs a 79 Monte Carlo with 660 bhp.... so Mr Wizard, I do know a thing or 2. Yes, a cool can is a temp thing, notice in a prior post "see how it helps in a drag".... hmm, we're not looking for full time operation, jack ass! If I was, Id run a mini-refrigerant system instead.

    as u are a single person and the rest of us share interest in this, GO AWAY! go poke your nose somewhere else.

    BTW, we never asked for a second opinion... we're working on an IDEA, dipshit.

    and yes, fuel gets hot... thats why cold cans are used..... but heat sinking an intake manifold instead of using say a cryo2 system may be better and cheaper.
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    so im sittin here reading this then i start thinking if your running boost and your turbo has option for water cooling couldnt you use one or both of these for that? just an idea
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    Has anybody even thought that this might be the reason that 98+ SPI's are less likely to drop a valve seat? Think about it, PCV system gets a hole in it, then you have cold air going into the motor in line with cyl #4 which is the one known for dropping the seat. Seat gets colder than the surrounding metal, cracks, then drops.
    Using coolant to heat the PCV discharge would ensure that cold air would never get into the cyl #4 and cause the seat to drop. On top of that, notice the rubber elbow that is know for breaking has been combined with the intake and made of metal.
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    Fuel gets hot in the engine bay. If you cool it before hand, it doesn't get as hot by the time is gets into the engine.

    Motor heads? They haven't told you that a 3rd gen isn't a drag car? Makes one wonder.

    Jack(I like that name, I'm going to call you that, now), maybe you didn't notice, but I've been here at least a year more than you. I believe I had to re-register at one point even. That doesn't matter though, 'cause you still suck.

    Cheap, Reliable, Fast ... Pick 2.

    The 3g is Cheap and Reliable. If you want fast, you gotta pay for it or turn your car into a shytbox. A cold can on the IM coolant lines will be no better than icing the intake before the race. Why don't V8 guys do it(cold can)? Because an ice bag is cheaper and has the same effect.

    Like I said in my first post in this thread, you'd have better result using phenolic spacers on either side of the IMRC. You DO know what phenolic spacers are(without looking it up), right? They are great power gain for the money, and DYNO PROVEN. But by all means don't believe me, listen to your singular uncle who's still stuck in 20's technology. I built a drag 1971 Hemi Charger, frame and all, but that doesn't matter, 'cause your other uncle runs a 79 tank with less power than my buddies daily Civic(yes, he's got a 683 fwhp B18), but that doesn't matter because you've got uncles who race. Please, disregard the fact that I'm in school rebuilding airplane turbines, I don't know a damned thing about engines and heat transfer/soak/wash.

    Go run your 3rd gen 18 seconds down the quartermile and come back when you've learned something.

    Fins on a Harley are heatsinks, a pump and a resevoir is a radiator setup, minus the thermostat.

    OH! Here's a better idea!!!! Take your thermostat out! It'll take your car FOREVER to warm up, thus keeping everything cooler!! OR MAKE A REMOTE THERMOSTAT!!1!one!!! It'll keep everything under the hood cold!!one!!!exclamationpoint!!111!!1!

    freaking a, people = shyt
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    I'd love to get my hands on a phenolic spacer set! One problem, who's gonna make one for us? It's my understanding that the material is pretty inexpensive, but I don't have a clue where to get it.
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    Pro-stock has/had a few Escorts non-zetec running 11's-12's all motor, its all done with comp programming and alot of top end work. So there is alot of all motor mods that can be done to this car to quicken it. But its also alot of "Frankenstein" work.

    As for the top end cool can, for a day at the track running brackets, why not try it. Im no Pro racer, just out for a fun day at the 1/4 mile with fellow enthusiasts and my wife. Im open to try anything to squeeze a few more hp out of my setup.

    And Im SO thrilled you work on aviation engines. I had the chance to do it in the Army and I turned it down. Im a dumb shit, but I got to BLOW things UP.

    as for the phenolic spacers, thats not a bad idea. But personally Im going to try this cool can setup and see if I can even get some degree of intake heat sinking. I wasnt bashing you per say, but it does piss me off when someone flames an idea before its even tried.

    my Uncles street rod runs a hand built 350 big block and is a show car with 2 1st places trophys, 3 2nds and a 3rd. they show it for fun and relaxation.

    the 79 Monte runs 11 flat, 10 if he'd get off his ass and regear the differential.

    I live in a small town in PA where most ppl hate the recent rice invasion!
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    Try it if you want. You were bashing. Phenolic/bag of ice are better for the money.

    Whatever floats your boat.
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    How thick are these spacers? They're gonna add length to your intake runners which might affect fuel delivery since it's sprayed in the IMRC block. But it's an interesting idea. Anyone have any numbers as to how much they affect heat soak on the intake manifold of a 4-cyl style engine (rather than a V8 or V-6 cuz the configuration is pretty different).
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    I don't have numbers but you can get them in pretty much any thickness you want. That e-bay listing is 3/16", about as thick as our gaskets, so. Plus, if you double up, one on either side, it's just that much more effective.

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