Discussion in '1st Gen 1981-1990 CVH' started by scortster, Nov 30, 2004.
So which one does my car fall under its an 89 LX CVH
That would be at the beginning of the thread. My guess is a roller cam leanburn head.
I have a 88 1/2 escort gt with a head casting of e7ee g with the round combustion chamber, and there is a head on eBay with a casting of e3ee would i be able to use this on my engine block? from the list at the beginning of this thread it looks like the thermal ports are larger on the e3ee head. Not sure what is meant by thermal ports ( coolant passages?)
sorry i forgot the casting numbers
my head is RF-E7EE-G7D
the head on ebay is RF-E3EE 6090 A8A
Yes, but you would need the cam with the head, if it's included.
if the rockers and valves are in the head in the pic that means the cam would have to be in the head right? the cam gear that the timing belt rides on should be interchangable right?
Not necessarily. The cam does not need to be in the head for the rockers to be on. What link are you looking at, because I believe I'm looking at the same head on Ebay...complete NOS E3 casting, with cam. If that's the one, then yes, it's a complete head, which would slap right on to the block. 1st gen timing pulleys are all identical.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... 3DWatching
the guy does not answer emails quickly.
And you're trying to fit the head on what? A 1.9 HO, CFI, or 1.6?
Try this one out It's pricey, but it's unused...which means it's undoubtedly uncracked, and ready to install. Plus it's an E3 casting.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... %26ps%3D63
I'm trying to find a replacement head for my 881/2 escort gt with the 1.9HO multiport injection engine.
It dosent have to be an e3 casting because im not sure that will even match up 100% but if it does and it has larger exh ports that would be cool.
Would the fact that that new one is off of a 1.6 ltr have any difference? I wouldn't want to lose any power from the HO head.
The E3 casting will 100% match up with the HO engine parts. The other one you looked at also seems to be a hemi. It looks like it would also work just fine. I'm a sucker for a new head, though, since it's not been used. Remanufactured usually means it has been cracked and repaired.
Ya im a fan of NOS. even a rebuilt head from autozone is 400+.
Im not even sure my head is bad but everyone i talk to says there always cracked or warped. so im just buying one to save time since the car is my daily driver and It cant be down long. I've been driving this car with a bad head gasket for about 3 months now and its still going good. This is why I love fords.
....... actualy in the pic the casting number is RFE E1EE A7C which is a carbonated head......
How many have you talked to who've opened up a few hundred Escorts? Part of the head warping is a myth. I've seen some Escorts that blew gaskets, and had bad oil pressure, but didn't overheat, and they didn't crack. I've seen some early '81 engines run overheated (radiator blown apart by hitting a deer), and they didn't crack.
Carbonated....hehehe. The E1 head is the same as an E3, only with very slightly smaller intake ports. Also, the 1.6 heads have larger exhaust ports than the HO heads.
If the head gasket is bad, try replacing it. If you're in doubt, have the head X-rayed and/or magnafluxed to check for cracks. If it's not been overheated then you're fine. The way to check for overheating is a little dime-sized button on the freeze plug by the distributor. If there is no button, then you overheated the head pretty badly, and it's likely cracked. If it's still there...you're good to go, and your friends don't know
well that head wont work. garage called and told me the combustion chamber is a different size. so if any one wants to buy a nos head for a 1.6 engine $200. now I have to get the old one put back on and waste around $500 not including the price of the bad head. lesson learned.
and i know the garage is not lying because my cousin works there.
Wait, your mechanic says the 1.6 head has a different size chamber than a 1.9 HO? He is 100% WRONG! The ONLY differences between a 1.6 and 1.9 head, in complete terms are cam journal sizes, intake port sizes, and exhaust port sizes, and the 1.6 head having a fuel pump hole near the distributor. That's it. A 1.6 head is a direct fit for the 1.9 HO head. I'll put my word behind that, as I've looked at many HO and 1.6 heads, and I'm going to be building a 1.9 engine with 1.6 head.
Seriously, stop listening to that mechanic, as he really doesn't know what he's talking about. I'm not the only one who will say this.
OK well my uncle just got don't talking to my cousin at the garage and it is more of a piston clearance problem where the piston may bottom out on the head because of the shape. It may be because its a true HO engine that it just wont mesh. im going to see if i can find some pics of the pistons
The first ebay listing you posted is the same guy I bought my head from and he had issues with making email work. The head I bought was a 1.6 head, and IIRC so is the one remaining even though the listing says otherwise. The head I bought was OK, you could see where a piston had come apart and the head had been repaired, but it works just fine. I will see if I can find his email for you.
Unless it's a high swirl (or HSC, which none of the E1 heads were) then it won't have any issues. I have two E1 heads sitting in my storage, both of which are identical in combustion chamber to every single HO head I've seen...and I've seen hundreds. Your cousin is wrong. There will be zero clearance issues, I promise you this. Even if you're replacing a CFI head with an HO you'll have zero clearance issues.
The '81 and '82 1.6 engines had the E1 casting (some even until '84). The only reason those engines were interference was due to lack of valve dishes in the pistons (flat top, basically). By '83, the new head design was out, and came with a new piston that had valve reliefs. The only different between E1 and E3 heads were the intake port shape, and a checkerboard casting on the outside....and that's it. Ford again used the exact same shape, size, and displacement combustion chamber between those heads, and used it again the 1.9 HO head. Look at pictures on here....it's the same thing. Sorry if I seem a bit pretentious, but I really hate it when people get the facts wrong, including myself. Also, there have been several people on here run a 1.6 head on a 1.9 bottom end....so whatever you're being told by your mechanic, cousin, and anyone else that is contrary is flat out wrong.
Maybe you should ask them for specific differences between the combustion chamber sizes...'cause I've got the '81 shop manuals, and one for the '89 year as well (same head as your GT has down to the roller cam). Whatever they quote I can verify, or call bs on, as I've got all the specs on those specific heads.
in my experience i have an HO head which uses non roller cam and lifters and bought a rebuild kit for the CFI engine. it is all the same except the cam and lifters. i looked up specs on the GT and the CFI cams and the CFI cam actually have a larger exhaust lift and about the same intake lift but i must say regardless the CFI roller cam and lifters from an 89 are better than the non roller GT cam and lifters.
CFI head has smaller valves, smaller ports which do not line up to the HO intake, smaller thermostat hole. The lifters for every roller cam engine are identical. The springs are different. Do you have some dyno numbers to post from a CFI roller vs. HO non-roller matchup?
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