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And thanks again to everyone on the Swaybar Group Buy.




I just discovered this while turning into my driveway on my way home from work. At first I thought the swaybar had broken a rear control arm, because the car suddenly pitched over on the front passenger side tire... turns out I was just teetering on 2 wheels for a little bit before the front one landed.

I was able to get the rear wheel higher in the air before I drove on down to the house and grabbed the camera (figures) and gave up trying because I was impeding traffic around a blind corner (as I lay in the middle of the road taking these shots). With a little weight on the front bumper it would be quite a bit higher. Right now the front right tire is barely kissing the ground... it took a little spinning to get her to move from her perch :wink:

I bet I'm actually lifting an inside rear wheel when turning full lock at about 15mph, like I'd speculated. :D
 

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hmm interesting. I wouldn't think it would mess with your suspension articulation much if at all. Are you sure nothing is binding up? Just seems to me like it should drop more than that. what springs are you running? That might have something to do with it.

nice looking wagon BTW
 

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I lift a tire on almost every tight corner. I dont even have to be going fast at all. 5 mph will do it on a tight turn.
Ive got Intrax springs, tokico SR struts and the 1" swaybar on the rear.
 

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I'm running H&Rs over S/R Tokicos. The rear S/Rs are full length, and the H&Rs expand to full length as well. You've got to remember that the right rear wheel is nearly fully compressed in this pic, so the 1" rear bar (and it's reluctance to twist) is what's compressing the spring on the left side.

She still rides over potholes just fine, uses all of her rear suspension travel when hitting a speedbump, and corners with extreme stability. I'm getting some creaking from my rear strut bar (no doubt a result of the swaybar's stiffness), but no sounds from the suspension itself. I'd say it's not binding up at all. (I've been looking for rub marks on the control arms, the same dust is still there, no rubbing)

BTW: Here's the difference between the stock wagon bar and the quickor bar



 

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There it is folks. Thats the biggest bar you can buy for the Escort right now. Remember, the effectiveness of the bar increases exponentially as the diameter of the bar increases, so the 1" Quickor bar is substantially more effective than a bar only 1/16" to 1/8" smaller in diameter.
By the way, the two metal brackets that hold the bar to the bottom of the car will break before you damage anything else on the car. I broke one already and had to replace it. Also, the poly bushings that come with the bar might tend to squeak if you tighten the bolts too tight. I was told that you should be able to just rotate the bushings by hand with some effort once you tighten the bolts up.
I've had my bar installed for about 4 years now and I still think that it was by far the single most noticeable handling improvement Ive made to the car.
 

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ahhh that makes sense then. Didn't think of that. hey thanks for the sweet pictures of the bar. Do you mind if I use them?
 

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ok, so that bar is bigger than the wagon bar...would it also be bigger than the 2gen GT bar? if so I will have to get one....my susp is on the way already with front and rear strut bars, weapon R coil overs and kyb struts...I am thinking of getting urethane bushings I can corner very well already...but with the big drop I am wearing the insides of my front tires pretty bad...but for that camber plates are on the way soon....great that your wagon is doing so well...it looks sweet perched like that...
 

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egtdude said:
hey thanks for the sweet pictures of the bar. Do you mind if I use them?
Mi pics es su pics! Sorry they're not better, but I didn't feel like being a perfectionist.. I just wanted to bolt the thing up and enjoy it :D

93EGTinLR said:
ok, so that bar is bigger than the wagon bar...would it also be bigger than the 2gen GT bar?
The wagon bar is the same diameter as the GT bar, but apparently the wagon bar is solid, where as the GT bar is hollow (a very minor difference in stiffness). I've just heard that from numerous sources on this website, I've yet to do perform my own comparison between the two bars.

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Thanks for the complements, guys. If you read my journal you'll see that I wasn't exactly enthusiastic about my wagon at first... now I'm very proud of her. (I just need to give her a bath)
 

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93EGTinLR said:
ok, so that bar is bigger than the wagon bar...would it also be bigger than the 2gen GT bar?
Yes, it is much larger than the factory bar on the EGT. The wagon bar doesnt look any smaller than the EGT bar by comparison, although it may be slightly. The Quickor bar is the biggest you can buy, period. Suspension Techniques makes a 7/8" bar which works well also, but the difference in performance between a 7/8" bar and a 1" bar is pretty large.
 

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I drove the car to Portland Oregon a few years ago and bought mine direct from the supplier that got Quickor to manufacture the bars for the Escorts in the first place. That supplier is no longer in buisiness, which is why Matt went out of his way to track down Quickor and have them made again. Ask Matt, egtdude what the availability is on the bar. Its worth the money.
 

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For those who dont know, The rear swaybar from Quickor is the largest manufactured for our cars today. This is a company that manufactures custom, one-off high performance components for professional rally cars. If your contemplating the purchase of one of these for your car, but just dont know what to expect for the money ask around a bit. Gentlemen like Steve Krause, Joe Graves, among others, raced the EGT at a professional level that few people will ever experience. This bar was an upgrade for their already highly modified suspensioned Escorts. I was one of the first buyers of this bar and remember the feedback that Steve Krause gave from using it at the track. Its an amazing piece, it truly is.
After installing the bar on my 1993 Escort GT, It felt like a different car. Completely amazing handling characteristics. The ass end of the car is rock solid; amazing cornering and feel. Cornering speeds increase drastically, but be careful; the car feels so solid you wont notice the limit untill the rear end comes around to meet you in the front. Those of you with other suspension modifications like strut braces and such should play in an empty parking lot once you get the bar installed and find your limits.
 

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DirtyJim said:
I was one of the first buyers of this bar and remember the feedback that Steve Krause gave from using it at the track. Its an amazing piece, it truly is.
Um... lol. I'll be the reality check person here. Not to be a jerk, but it's just a bar. It's a piece of metal. There isn't a whole lot of high-tech engineering in this bar. I guess I'm humored that you make it sound like some validation of unified field theory when it's really more along the lines of a bagel slicer. :)moving on...

I had a bunch of trouble with my sway bar on my 91GT. I ended up blowing the links off the ends of the bar when I was dodging a deer in the adirondacks at 85mph one day and I carted around for a week with no sway bar waiting for my replacement end links to come in. Anyway, when they did come in and I stuck them on... wow! What a difference. Body roll was way down, understeer was way down, the whole car just felt so much more responsive and nimble. Anyway....

This has probably already been asked, but are these still available for sale, and if so, where can I get them? I was going to buy one in the whole group order, but I backed out when I started to see the deal going sour, but I guess it's turned out for the better after all was said and done. So anyway, if somebody can throw me a bone, I may be interested.
 

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Yep. Its just a piece of metal. No fancy engineering, its just the beefiest one you can get right now. It works and it works better than any other bar on the market. It does its job like its supposed to do and I can appreciate how well it does it. Thats what we pay money for. I dont hype bullshit products, just ones that work like theyre supposed to. Thanks for the reality check.
 

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Siragan makes a good point, it's just a bar of metal. I'm so enthusiastic about it because it's the largest bar available on the market. I certainly don't have the means to bend 1" thick spring steel into a bar that will fit the escort. It's the crown jewel of my suspension setup that allows my wagon to outhandle nearly every other car I've ever driven.. (there is one exception, but my friend's race car isn't exactly a fair comparison, especialy when it had race rubber and GC coil-overs on it).

The only drawback is that now I need to insert some more power.. like maybe 3x as much as I have now, to use the chassis to it's fullest extent. Before the bar I was probably going to be overdoing it with less than twice my current 88hp. My front tires were already having trouble hooking up while turning, and I had to be more cautious when entering a turn, as she really wanted to push towards the outside.

Without Matt initiating the group buy, I wouldn't have had a chance to get my wagon to handle quite as well. I have no means to bend my own, nor do I know of anyone who could bend 1" spring steel into such a perfect shape (there are more bends than the obvious 2). I hate to think how much I would have needed to spend on a from-scratch custom rear bar.

Matt has them listed on his http://www.bareend.com site, and hopefully will find the demand to buy more so that the company will treat him with a little more respect as a repeat customer.
 

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yup they are still available. If there are enough people to throw together 5 orders at once we get a few more bucks off. I'm not going to do a group buy but if it looks like there are 5 people ready to go I'll do it that way.'

just go to my site and check it out. like I said no more group buys if I can avoid it. so if your ready to order go for it. If there are a couple people ready to order we may get a better deal.

P.S. Siragan where's the trust man!? :) they people on the group buy got the bars for a heck of a deal. then they got a $10 check from quickor because I told them I'd be finding a new supplier if they didn't after that big a run around. I hook my peeps up yo :)
 

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Well, I ran into my first snag with the swaybar Friday night. I was pulling off of my road onto my semi-steep driveway (which I approach at a 45deg angle) when I heard a funny sound from the rear suspension. I figured it was a squeek from one of the rear bushings and disregarded it.

Saturday morning when I left the house I got halfway down my road and noticed that the car wasn't steering correctly.. actually it felt like I had a squishy sidewall from a flat tire on the rear axle because the rear end was wandering around on me. I got out and walked around the car.. all the tires looked in-tact.. but the driver-side rear wheel was sticking out funny (about 10 deg toe-out). I looked underneath, and sure enough, a broken control arm.

I limped her back home and called a friend for a ride. Since then I've been enjoying the nice weather and riding my road bike around. I'm getting a replacement arm tomorrow.





Tonight I'm going to remove both the broken one and the good one. I'll also take some more pictures. Tomorrow when I pick up the new arm I'm going to take it and the good old one to a machine shop to see if they'll be willing to re-enforce them for me. I figure an extra 3/16" steel welded onto the front and back of each arm would make them nearly indestructable. What do you guys think?

Before casting judgement on the bar, I have to let you know that my car has 192,000 miles on it.. it's spent every winter for 10 years on roads that are heavily salted, and I've driven the hell out of her since putting the bar on. I'll be checking for cracks in the control arms on a frequent basis from now on, but I won't go back to driving an escort with a stock rear bar.

Anyway.. gotta go bike across town.. talk to you guys tomorrow morning.
 

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yikes that is some rusty stuff! 3/16" should sure add some strength. Obviously you want to find a good race shop etc that won't overheat the thing and make it weaker than it would have been originally.

Man I have got to get some more time for BEM...
 
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