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talking with a friend about my new scort and he's gettin a 94 jetta III gl (i have a 95 wagon lx) and we were thinking about power to weight ratios. we're both 15 so we cant race (legally) and we were wondering if you knew who would win
thanx 8O

.P.S.-you think i would definitely win against like a 98-00 windstar (i think so)

gracias y adios
 

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Angdvl089 said:
talking with a friend about my new scort and he's gettin a 94 jetta III gl (i have a 95 wagon lx) and we were thinking about power to weight ratios. we're both 15 so we cant race (legally) and we were wondering if you knew who would win
thanx 8O

.P.S.-you think i would definitely win against like a 98-00 windstar (i think so)

gracias y adios
ok so first off, you really shouldn't be racing on the street, it endangers not only yourself but others. especially seeing as how you are both new drivers. however. if you were to both take them to the track, it is not only a question of power/weight ratios, if the car is geared horribly then it won't matter. now. the next logic question would be, what kind of transmissions do you both have?
 

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i know a safe place to go...my car and his car are stock but im gonna put a muffler on mine soon so stock
 

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Angdvl089 said:
i know a safe place to go...my car and his car are stock but im gonna put a muffler on mine soon so stock
muffler doesn't do crap but change the tone of the sound
but back to my question.... what kind of transmissions do you both have?
 

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siragan said:
Who's a better driver? :D
:roll: that's the first question I was gonna ask, followed by the tranny question.

But I can offer this. my ex owned a 96 Jetta GLS. I thought it was a fun little car, but when it came down to the question of who would win... The Scort did. Albeit she wasn't a hardcore race type of person, but I taught her well enough to smoke the civics that would rev at her, I still beat her driving much less aggressive than I normally would. And all I had at the time was the exhaust and intake, all of which really ONLY makes the car louder. but the biggest question is who drives better? I can beat nicer cars because I know how to race mine better than teh othre driver knows how to race theirs. And my friend who drives a 2000 Corrolla CE would probably give me a better run for my money if he didn't have the slushbox 3spd auto that is in his car, he is more my level of racer. Anyway, I agree that you shouldn't race on the street, no matter where, it's illegal for a reason, go to the track, you'll get better traction there anyway. [/rant]

oh, btw against the Windstar don't be so sure... I've seen Honda Odysseys smoke some cars you'd be surprised to hear about while driving around.
 

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I'd be going with the Jetta...I think they're about 120hp, heavier car, but the lx is pretty gutless stock..I know, I have one....and mine has intake/header/exhaust. I'm pretty sure the Jetta would have close to a 30hp advantage...
As for the van, they're around 200hp....so again, I'm going with that.....even though it's a van. We had one awhile ago and if you can get the rev's up, they go..
 

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As for the van, they're around 200hp....so again, I'm going with that.....even though it's a van. We had one awhile ago and if you can get the rev's up, they go..
still, they're slow as.... well, crap on a winter day
i'll say one thing for sure though, you would get your butt handed to ya if you revved against an F-150, the new ones especially. my dad's 2004 is fast as hell! his 2003 even could hand you your behind on a silver platter.
motor trend quotes an 8.4 second 0-60 time with a 5.4L 4spd auto..... meaning, it would keep up with my GT. i tried to keep up with a HEMI ram the other day.... guy friggin smoked me. trucks these days, they're quick. in my dad's F-150, i walked right past a durango without even tryin. they're really torquey off the line, and if you floor it they WILL rev to about 6k before they shift. see, if they put a 6 speed manual on the escort GT's, everything would be so much simpler. they could have a more torquey gear ratio for first, and it would shave probably about a half second off of your 0-60 time because of the time it takes to launch without wearing the crap out of your clutch (aka, 4-5k launch). i'll tell ya, the around town, pep factor would jump through the roof. personally, i think the gear ratio is too low for first on the GT's, and it just bogs down the engine if you try to launch from first, because you get the lag in when it starts to actually create power. in my brother in law's saturn ion, first gear revs out way before 30 mph (seems like it anyways), and it feels so smooth, and it engages and launchs with alot of pep just from an idle.
 

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thescortgt said:
Angdvl089 said:
i know a safe place to go...my car and his car are stock but im gonna put a muffler on mine soon so stock
muffler doesn't do crap but change the tone of the sound
but back to my question.... what kind of transmissions do you both have?
That's not always necessarily the case.

If you put a dohc neon muffler on a sohc neon exhaust system, I've been told you gain 2-3 hp... not a lot but a gain is a gain, right?

Back to the original topic...

When you two get your permanent licenses look up the closest track and go figure out what kinda times you both will run.

Please... please keep it off the streets. I'm done, I've been lucky getting off with only tickets (for speeding).
 

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James92Scort said:
thescortgt said:
Angdvl089 said:
i know a safe place to go...my car and his car are stock but im gonna put a muffler on mine soon so stock
muffler doesn't do crap but change the tone of the sound
but back to my question.... what kind of transmissions do you both have?
That's not always necessarily the case.

If you put a dohc neon muffler on a sohc neon exhaust system, I've been told you gain 2-3 hp... not a lot but a gain is a gain, right?

Back to the original topic...

When you two get your permanent licenses look up the closest track and go figure out what kinda times you both will run.

Please... please keep it off the streets. I'm done, I've been lucky getting off with only tickets (for speeding).
seriously, would it be possible for an admin to change the name of this thread to "Keep It Off The Streets" ???? (i'm not even joking.... seriously)

also, james, if the exhaust pipe isn't even a straight through design, it's almost useless to just put a muffler on the car, unless you just don't like the way it sounds. if i were to do it, i would just take the exhaust straight out the back, and modify the rear bumper to accomodate it... or HIDE it even.... less turbulence = less backpressure.... best way to go is a high flow cat, and a straight through exhaust design.... am i right? but while you're at the exhaust, might as well get a good header, and then spend the money and get a TRUE CAI, rather than those ones that just slap on a cone filter that suck in hot air from the engine anyways, defeating the purpose. sure they help a bit top end, because the cone filter itself can suck in more air, but getting a cone filter with a box that sucks the air from a different region where there is in fact ACTUAL cold air, will give you a much better gain.
 

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When you two get your permanent licenses look up the closest track and go figure out what kinda times you both will run.
alot of tracks actually have designated days where they have teens or high school students bring in whatever car they want to race, and they encourage it
 

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if you are a better driver you can beat him otherwise the VW has a slight advantage unless he has the twin cam engine then he definately has the advantage Vdubs have always had strong running cars stock

if the Windstar has the 4.0 v6 dont bother, unless its really beat you will lose
 

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They're both 15.

There's no such thing as a better driver at this age. They're both inexperienced drivers without any fear and without an appreciation of their machines to be good drivers.

There's massive power in both cars compared to what you're used to (your bike or skateboard). Beav laid down some good advice to a young fella like you a few weeks ago - go take part in some low-speed autocross. You'll learn to drive responsibly and it will still be fun. Speed is far from the most important thing.

By the way - I'm forwarding this thread to your driving instructor so he will fail you automatically when you take your test :lol: .
 

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highanddry said:
They're both 15.

There's no such thing as a better driver at this age. They're both inexperienced drivers without any fear and without an appreciation of their machines to be good drivers.

There's massive power in both cars compared to what you're used to (your bike or skateboard). Beav laid down some good advice to a young fella like you a few weeks ago - go take part in some low-speed autocross. You'll learn to drive responsibly and it will still be fun. Speed is far from the most important thing.

By the way - I'm forwarding this thread to your driving instructor so he will fail you automatically when you take your test :lol: .
I grew up around cars and auto racing, I learned to drive at age 10 or 11 and was driving full blown race cars and dune buggy's(on private property not public roads) long before I was old enough to get my license.

You are right but there are some cases where what you said dont apply but in this case Iwould have agree with you
 

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I grew up around cars and auto racing, I learned to drive at age 10 or 11 and was driving full blown race cars and dune buggy's(on private property not public roads) long before I was old enough to get my license.

You are right but there are some cases where what you said dont apply but in this case Iwould have agree with you
i learned how to do a 360 on a single wheel drive 3hp briggs.... i learned how to stay upright on a dirtbike with knobbys while sliding in sand when i was 15... i learned how to ride wheelies on a moped when i was 15. i learned alot of stuff so far... doesn't make any of it responsible though when it involves public roads. all i gotta say, is don't screw around on the roads. no matter where you are. you're eventually going to get hurt, and it's not gonna be fun after that. i've had many a close calls, and ya know what? that alone makes it TOTALLY not worth it. (this coming from somebody who posts a video of him and his friends messin around in an empty parking lot.... yeah i know) don't go racing around and crap, not even in a parking lot.... speed + inexperience = not good..... tray sliding though on the other hand, go for it buddy!!! haha
 

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tray sliding?...
anyways ive had the car for about 1 and a half weeks and ive just been spinning 'em up in my backyard 8) ...
i live in massachussets, like 45 minutes away from boston...I THINK the closest place is a drag strip in new hampshire but im not sure, anyone know?
thanx, and ill keep the racing off the streets
 

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thescortgt said:
Revvitupegt said:
I grew up around cars and auto racing, I learned to drive at age 10 or 11 and was driving full blown race cars and dune buggy's(on private property not public roads) long before I was old enough to get my license.

You are right but there are some cases where what you said dont apply but in this case Iwould have agree with you
i learned how to do a 360 on a single wheel drive 3hp briggs.... i learned how to stay upright on a dirtbike with knobbys while sliding in sand when i was 15... i learned how to ride wheelies on a moped when i was 15. i learned alot of stuff so far... doesn't make any of it responsible though when it involves public roads. all i gotta say, is don't screw around on the roads. no matter where you are. you're eventually going to get hurt, and it's not gonna be fun after that. i've had many a close calls, and ya know what? that alone makes it TOTALLY not worth it. (this coming from somebody who posts a video of him and his friends messin around in an empty parking lot.... yeah i know) don't go racing around and crap, not even in a parking lot.... speed + inexperience = not good..... tray sliding though on the other hand, go for it buddy!!! haha
I thought you weren't condoning tray sliding... hahaha.

Seriously though, keep it off the roads. I'm sure there has to be a track near you that will make a race much more worth your while. I have ot drive about 30-40 minutes ot my nearest track and it's still worth it. Not only do I get to run the scort, I get to talk with NHRA guys and all kinds of other car enthusiasts, I have gottena few surprised looks from the hardcore drag guys when I run my Scort, Many of them never realized that the EGT can put up 15 sec 1/4 miles, they thought I was dreaming.
 

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Revvitupegt said:
I grew up around cars and auto racing, I learned to drive at age 10 or 11 and was driving full blown race cars and dune buggy's(on private property not public roads) long before I was old enough to get my license.

You are right but there are some cases where what you said dont apply but in this case Iwould have agree with you
i learned how to do a 360 on a single wheel drive 3hp briggs.... i learned how to stay upright on a dirtbike with knobbys while sliding in sand when i was 15... i learned how to ride wheelies on a moped when i was 15. i learned alot of stuff so far... doesn't make any of it responsible though when it involves public roads. all i gotta say, is don't screw around on the roads. no matter where you are. you're eventually going to get hurt, and it's not gonna be fun after that. i've had many a close calls, and ya know what? that alone makes it TOTALLY not worth it. (this coming from somebody who posts a video of him and his friends messin around in an empty parking lot.... yeah i know) don't go racing around and crap, not even in a parking lot.... speed + inexperience = not good..... tray sliding though on the other hand, go for it buddy!!! haha
I agree with you 100% which is why I specifically mentioned that it was done on private property and not on public streets. I was fortunate enough to grow up in a family that was heavily involved in racing and had the opportunity to learn proper driving techniques and responsible driving habits at an early age, I have also been to several racing schools and even raced motorcycles at the pro level at one point.

I dont condone any type of street racing and as far as I'm concerned street racers are nothing more than posers and wannabes , racing is not that expensive when done the right way and there is NO EXCUSE for not taking it to the track.

tray sliding?...
anyways ive had the car for about 1 and a half weeks and ive just been spinning 'em up in my backyard Cool ...
i live in massachussets, like 45 minutes away from boston...I THINK the closest place is a drag strip in new hampshire but im not sure, anyone know?
thanx, and ill keep the racing off the streets
dont destroy the car before you even get to drive it legally.

as far as the racing , I beleive Diane might be from that area she might be able to steer you to some tracks or post in the regional forums there is one for the new England states
 

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If you're in MA the closest drag strip is in Epping NH.

Closest road course is in Louden NH (NHIS) with Lime Rock a close 2nd (Lime Rock CT). There are many local clubs that hold track days there. Season starts in late March - early April depending on how much snow is on the ground. We did a test day two years ago at NHIS with flurries, luckily not enough to affect the track.

MANY autoxes in this area along with rallyx and ice races.

Local SCCA chapter: http://www.ner.org

There *may* be a rallyx in VT tomorrow. http://www.ner.org/Rally/ner_rallycross_schedule.html

Many links to check out:
http://www.ner.org/internet/otherclubs.html
http://www.icerace.com (mostly NY but a great club to run with)

Also when you get your license check out http://www.InControlADT.com I am an instructor there. Classes are currently held in Weymouth MA which is probably not far from you.

If nothing else, read the site, the statistics are amazing. Do you know how many hours of school a hairdresser or massage therapist has to go through to get their license? Compare that to the hours a teen needs to get their license, and then realize a hairdresser or massage therapist will probabably not kill anyone if they mess up! A bad driver can. Also not many people go into hairdressing or massage at 16!

And if I see you racing on the streets, I will have no problem gently persuading you off the road as I know I can outdrive you. ;) And your end result may not be pretty. I know many stories of people trying to be cute on entrance/exit ramps while following someone who knows their car and knows how to drive. The person following sometimes does not make it out unscathed. I'm sure many a driver has wondered how the old Escort I'm in can get so far ahead of them on an entrance with a couple of corners, when of course they have 3x my HP and were on my a** up till the corner. ;) And me with a bone stock suspension and crappy tires. I'm not driving fast either, it's all about knowing the lines of the road and knowing your car inside and out, knowing how to drive without upsetting the dynamics of the car. I've probably been driving for longer than you've been alive and I still have things to learn. Never think you know it all!

<forwarding to my northern MA racing friends as well>

:)
 

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you're eventually going to get hurt, and it's not gonna be fun after that. i've had many a close calls, and ya know what? that alone makes it TOTALLY not worth it. (this coming from somebody who posts a video of him and his friends messin around in an empty parking lot.... yeah i know) don't go racing around and crap, not even in a parking lot.... speed + inexperience = not good..... tray sliding though on the other hand, go for it buddy!!! haha
Im sorry, That makes no sense. It contradicts itself.
 
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