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Want to go turbo...have a 93 wagon, trying to decide what engine swap to do...this will depend on what/if forged pistons/rods/crank are available for the motor I choose. Any suggestions?

2.0L SPI??? GTX????
 

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Might as well get a GTR and do a bunch of custom work because that's what it will take. It's not going to be cheap. Your looking at going full standalone for engine management. You'll need a tranny built to handle the power as well as custom axles. You'll need a bigger turbo and a different manifold. And the list goes on. But for starters the GTR is the motor you are going to want to work with.
 

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team_lethal said:
Jeffescortlx said:
How much power do you want, how much do you want to spend and hwo much work do you want to do?
want the safest, easiest way to 450 hp max...ive seen it done.
I think your setting your self up for a disapointment. I dont think there has ever been a SOHC with that kind of power, the 1.8 has done it, but it's gonna cost you about the value of 5 of your escorts to build it.

What kind of 1/4 mile times do you want?
You still did'nt answer how much you want to spend, or how much work/time you want to put into this project.
And why do it with a heavy wagon?
 

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i just saw a 450 hp 94 EGT and i was wondering if anyone had done it with something other than the 1.8L...but I guess not.

as for money, i have no set amount..will be a project over time. As for work..I dont mind it...done many engine swaps and upgrades...just dont know about the escorts...basically fromt he DSM and Nissan camp. Anyway, i will do everything but the actual machine work.

as for 1/4 mile times...i would be really happy with a mid 12 second time. I prefer turbo to run like a high 12, supplemented with a small shot to get to the mid 12's.

Why the wagon...why not?!
 

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there is no "safe way" of making 450hp out of our motors easily. 450 hp will let you see 11's even if you are a wagon. you will need to spend alot of money to get to the 450hp range.

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as i stated before, i have decided mid 12's in a wagon is fast enough to beat most people....and pretty respectable for a WAGON! Has anyone done that with a 1.9L or 2.0 spi?

Also, i started this to see if anyone made and forged parts for these motors (crank, rods, pistons..etc.)
 

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team_lethal said:
as i stated before, i have decided mid 12's in a wagon is fast enough to beat most people....and pretty respectable for a WAGON! Has anyone done that with a 1.9L or 2.0 spi?

Also, i started this to see if anyone made and forged parts for these motors (crank, rods, pistons..etc.)
Jeff has the fastest 2.0 SPI out there. I'm not sure what his current times are, but he has alot of time into it, and I dont think he is anywhere near 12's
 

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Why the wagon...why not?!
HAHA, my sentiments exactly!

I would recommend a turbo charged V6 (No Replacement For Displacement). Mainly the 2.5 liter KL series engine found in the 2nd gen probe GT's.

I'm putting my JDM "KLZE" in my wagon this spring, or as soon as the MS Ultra comes out. Some of the higher compression versions are rated in the area of 200hp. I would recommend just grabbing a set of the JDM heads, a USDM Millenia intake manifold (will clear the brake master) and build up a stout low compression bottom end using a junkyard core, and then slap the biggest turbo you can fit on it! The hardest part of this swap is finding a 91-92 MX3 GS donor car for the axles, tranny, cross member, motor mounts, linkage, etc. That MX3 came with a 1.8 liter version of the KL series engine. That would be my recipe for 450hp.

Oh yeah.. GOTTA LOVE THE WAGONS!
Here is a pic of mine when I went to pick up my KLZE swap (motor, tranny, axles, etc) .. yes, my rear inner fenders have had some serious massaging to clear those wheels/tires.

 

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The KL series isn't exactly the most boost friendly motor. By far the BPT has the most parts available and will probably be the most reliable. As to anyone getting 450hp out of an SPI, no one has yet. I'd love to see it happen but we just don't have any good forged parts available. Also, I don't think the block itself would handle that much power.

Jeff was pushing close to 170hp and 190lb/ft of torque out of his SPI while running way too rich!!! But then he had a small problem with a valve hitting a piston. Oops. Now he has the 1.9/2.0 hybrid so it should be a little more boost friendly. Basically the SPI probably tops out at 250-275hp completely tweeked unless we get some custom internals made and then it's dependent on the block holding.
 

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Josh_LX said:
Jeff has the fastest 2.0 SPI out there.
id beg to differ. hes got a 1.9/spi hybrid.

i have a spi with 9.7:1 compression running 15psi of boost with standalone fuel/timing mgt
 

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marclar said:
Josh_LX said:
Jeff has the fastest 2.0 SPI out there.
id beg to differ. hes got a 1.9/spi hybrid.

i have a spi with 9.7:1 compression running 15psi of boost with standalone fuel/timing mgt
OK, I have the fasted 2.0 SPI turbo with a TIME SLIP to prove it.
I now have a 1.9 SPI, but my time/dyno slip is from the stock 2.0 @8psi.

I would'nt be one bit surprized if you car is faster, but at least get a time slip to back it up.
 

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i know exactly what your saying. i respect that. i wont be able to get a slip till next summer. i was just making a generalized statement based on what we are running.

altho i must thank jeff because if it wasnt for him i wouldnt be doing what i have done. hes the one that made my car what it is today.
 

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altho i must thank jeff because if it wasnt for him i wouldnt be doing what i have done. hes the one that made my car what it is today.
You mean you'd still be runing a 1.9 with no fuel mangment and would'nt understand why your going through head's left and right? lol
It was'nt that long ago when I was drilling "fuel managment !" into your head. But you've come along way's in a very short time. :wink:
 

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ya. in the oritional turbo info on erdt it said you could run 6psi on the stock fuel system. it didnt say 6psi with an FMU.

however. i have made a marvelous discovery as of late... the stock MAF could theoreticaly meter up to 1psi.. the stock FPR actuallY WILL RAISE THE FUEL PRESSURE UP TO 50PSI WITH 3PSI OF BOOST. this leads me to believe that you couldrun 2-3psi with out an fmu..
 
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