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Hey, I'm thinking about getting a buddy of mine to put me together a new exhust system from 2.5 inch pip(he's looking for a project new pipe bending machine) going to change out the cat and mufler and I want to know if the pace setter header would be worth the 160 bucks to include in this job

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People have said the one for the 1.9 is good, but the one for the 1.8 is complete crap.

Overall though pacesetter isn't known for it's quality.
 

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you wouldnt notice a difference between it and the first gen HO header. the only problem with it is the o2 sensor is in a bad spot. if you have the ability to move it, youll be fine.
 

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Jayber,

The pacesetter header is a good investment in my opinion, i have one installed on my car and there was no problems with fitment or performance. Although i do not have any experience with the HO header from the 1st gen scorts, the pacesetter is definitely worth the money IMO. But, learn from my mistake, and spring for the Armor-Coat option. Cyberauto.com has the best price i think at 240 bucks. Believe me its worth the extra money, my black paint header was melting for the first 3 or 4 days i drove the car. After all the paint melts off, your left with an eye-sore in the engine bay. I've been told eventually it will just corrode completely. If i were you and had the money available, i'd go for the Armor-Coat header from pacesetter.

Juggernaut,

I believe marclar was speaking of the 1.9 HO header from the 1st gen being the one with the O2 in a bad spot. Not entirely sure, might hafta wait for him to respond.
 

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i think it might actually be on the pacesetter. Cuz the 02 sensor on an HO header, is torwards the top. ill look for a pic on my cpu see if i can find it.
 

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2nd Gen 1991-1996 1.9L SOHC

I have installed both the paceseter header with armor cote and the cat back exhaust on my 1.8 91 gt last year may time frame. Everything is good and performance is better. Armorcote is really a must, I bought mine from jegs at a bargain price of $225. You can also get one of their high flow cats for about $65. The paint burned off the cat back system, but it is aluniminzed steel so rust is no problem.
 

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One other problem with the 1st Gen HO header is that it hangs too low you have to be careful that you don't hit it on speed bumps and stuff. I think that the pacesetter is a good investment. Or if you don't want to spend the money, you can just get a first gen header and be careful. Also why are you going to ger a 2.5" exhaust? That will rob bottom end power from you 2.25" is the optimal size for the 1.9 and 2.0 if you are running n/a.
 

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Tracer-X said:
Also why are you going to ger a 2.5" exhaust? That will rob bottom end power from you 2.25" is the optimal size for the 1.9 and 2.0 if you are running n/a.
Plus the resulting sound is just gorgeous. :D
 

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some mis-information here. having dealt with both the pacesetter and the HO here is what i have to say.

the Pacesetter's pipe order is not optimal. the HO header has the optimal pipe order. will it make much of a difference? about 3hp at the current state of tune that any of your engines would be at.

the Pacesetter has the O2 sensor in a stupid spot. off of just one cylinder. They may have changed this in a redesign as of late, but im not aware of it.

the HO header has the O2 in a perfect spot, it sits right between the two secondary pipes after the primaries combine. collects EGO data from all cylinders.

I have the HO header on my 91 Pony, i love it. Yes it hangs lower than the stock pipe or the Pacesetter would, but my car is owered 2" and i have yet to really smash it up.

besides, its easy to reduce its underhang. just cut out an inch from the secondary downpipes and re-weld it. point is, its not TOO LOW, its just lower than most would prefer.

is the pacesetter worth $200+ bucks, not in my opinion. to me it would be worth $100-$150 tops. but thats just me.
 

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^^^ What Pony said...if you won't be doing the install yourself, the money you save buying the HO you can use for the fabrication, which isn't that bad. It does sit a bit low, but nothing terrible. I think it's the best mod for the Escort for the money. You will have to put a converter in somewhere though too, it comes out of the stock manifold.
 

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Also on the HO header you need to run the EGR tubing. On the stock 1.9 it is right on the exhaust manifold on the front of the motor, whereas it is located at the end of the header for the HO. That is if you have an EGR. I have the HO on my 94 LX and it was probably the best thing I bought for it. It cost me a whole $16 from the junkyard. I have hit it a few times, but havent dented it yet. The only thing that bothers me is it is real close to the oil pan. I am afraid of it either hitting the ground and cracking my pan, or touching the pan and heating up the oil to an extreme temp.
 

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the oil in there is already at 200 degrees.. and thats some mighty thick aluminum the pan is made from. you would have to practically slam the weight of the car onto it to crack it like you suggest. i wouldnt worry.

my pony didnt have EGR, so i never had that issue. when i put an HO header on my friends 94lx, he did have EGR, somehow we got away with just not hooking it up and the ECM never threw an MIL for it.
 

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The newer pacesetter Headers are now in the correct firing order according to zxtuner.com(from a post on ERDT). Also not all people have access to a welder to cut then reweld the header. I do agree that the HO is WAY cheaper and would be a better bang for the buck. I guess that I was misinformed about how far they hand down from the car, as I have no experiance with them. I've only seen them on cars at j/y's and they always had been banged up pretty bad at their lowest point, that is why I have never purchaced one.
 

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then dont cut and weld it. honestly, they usually look beanged up on the jy cars because the cars are for one, in a junk yard; two, theyve spent at least 10-15 years on the road being abused and ran over things.
 

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PonyExpress said:
some mis-information here. having dealt with both the pacesetter and the HO here is what i have to say.

the Pacesetter's pipe order is not optimal. the HO header has the optimal pipe order. will it make much of a difference? about 3hp at the current state of tune that any of your engines would be at.

the Pacesetter has the O2 sensor in a stupid spot. off of just one cylinder. They may have changed this in a redesign as of late, but im not aware of it.

the HO header has the O2 in a perfect spot, it sits right between the two secondary pipes after the primaries combine. collects EGO data from all cylinders.

I have the HO header on my 91 Pony, i love it. Yes it hangs lower than the stock pipe or the Pacesetter would, but my car is owered 2" and i have yet to really smash it up.

besides, its easy to reduce its underhang. just cut out an inch from the secondary downpipes and re-weld it. point is, its not TOO LOW, its just lower than most would prefer.

is the pacesetter worth $200+ bucks, not in my opinion. to me it would be worth $100-$150 tops. but thats just me.
^^ I agree - I have never heard a bad thing about the HO header other than it sits a little low. Not too much that it's a burden but lower than most with lowered cars prefer. Most people from ERDT daid the HO header would give higher hp gains that the pacesetter. Too bad we don't have dyno numbers.
 

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i got a pacesetter for my 1.9 and its nothing like u ppl say its kind of like

spi shorty with off road pipe it looks just like it got mine from nopi
 

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i was talking to No3ndInSight (former ERDT moderator) a couple of days ago and he said that pacesetter headers are now in the porper firing order,siad a friend of his got it and it was fine,one more thing. i now HAVE to get the pacesetter header, after ordering my front and rear lower tie bars i can only use the rear one. the HO header hangs to low and interferes with my installing the front one.. but ill definatly be springing for the armor coat
 
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