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Oil pan leak repair

Discussion in '3rd Gen 1997-2002 2.0L SOHC' started by Fate I, Jan 10, 2020.

  1. Fate I

    Fate I FEOA Donator

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    Hello, I'm putting a oil pan gasket (oil leak) on my 1997 Escort Station Wagon. My question is this: Do I put a layer of gasket maker on the oil pan groove, then the gasket and then another layer of the gasket maker on top of the gasket? Or only on the oil pan groove?
    Thanks
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    Also, does the pan have to be put in quickly after using the RTV gasket maker?
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    When I did mine I just put the sealer on the block surface and not the pan.

    I recommend using ultra black and letting it cure overnight
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    Make sure all surfaces are clean. I like to use brake cleaner on a rag or acetone
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    So you put the sealer on the block and no sealer on the oil pan gasket?
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    Yes
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    Is the sealer called just Ultra Black? And is it put all the way around the block? How thick should the application be?
    Thanks
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    The Ultra Black is one of several products made by Permatex, all of them being a room temperature vulvanizing rubber product. Any auto parts store should have them. I also prefer Ultra Black for oil control. I like the reddish orange RTV for higher temp locations, such as gaskets in the exhaust system.

    The Ford Service Manual says to just put a dab of sealant at each corner, where the block meets the main seal housing, or the oil pump housing. Since I haved had leaks with just doing that, I also put a small bead (1/8") in the grooved in the oil pan, then push the gasket into the groove. The gasket has little ears along its length that help to keep the gasket in place.
    The gasker maker will stay soft and pliable for a while, and there is not sudden urgency to getting it in place, with the bolts snugged up. But after an hour or two you will have some 'skinning' of the gasket material. I also let the stuff cure overnight. In very cold temps I like to give it 36-48 hours to fully cure.
    The service manual says to bring the bolts holding the pan up to just 'not-loose', then to snug up the two bolts that go sideways into the bell housing from the transmission side of the pan. Then you torque up the pan bolts with the 10mm heads, to 15-22 ftlbs, and the two going sideways into the oil pan to to 30-40 ftlbs.

    There are two different pan gaskets, based on the year of your car. They are slightly different, so be sure to get the one that matches your year of engine.
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    you will have to make that choice yourself...

    personally i never put rtv on a rubber gasket. only on corner areas where more than one surface meet. some have success with gooping both sides, others with none. the rtv does not allow the seal to 'expand' during heat cycles.
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    Denisond, when you say apply the sealant on the corners, would I put the sealant on the block corners or on the oil pan corners?
    Thanks
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    Also, do I put sealant on the ends where the oil pan has those valleys?
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    I'm sorry for sounding dumb but do I let the RTV cure for those hours with the pan on the car or let it cure and then put the pan on the car? Again sorry for asking these questions.
    Thanks
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    No problem at all in asking questions.
    You put the daubs of sealant onto the block, at the four corners. Not on the pan. I do put sealant into the circular valleys where the gasket runs down below the front and rear main seals.
    You put the sealant onto the pan, put the gasket on too (this will take a little bit of pushing to have the gasket seated in the groove in the pan), then install the pan. You want to have the RTV curing in contact with the pan and the surface on the bottom of the block.
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    I've never used any sealant anywhere on the pan gaskets I've replaced and haven't had any problems with leaks afterwards. I figure as long as it's not creating any problems it just makes clean up easier if it ever has to be done again.
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    not saying one strategy is better than the other... i just repair them in the way the oem did.
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    If you have a gasket then you don't typically use RTV unless the sealing surface on the engine has gaps, like where the front or rear cover meets the block and part of that cover makes up the sealing surface. Then you would put a dab of RTV on those gaps and then install the pan and gasket. If the sealing surface is completely smooth and all one piece then you don't use any sealant.
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