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Drivetrain Not shifting,, wtf happened?

Discussion in 'Drivetrains' started by escortponyjunkie, Nov 27, 2014.

  1. ShakeZilla19

    ShakeZilla19 My name is ^^^

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    Here are some pictures of the inside of the transmission including some of the lower part of the case with the shift mechanism that prevents hitting reverse when coming out of fifth and the pocket where loose junk such as a speedo gear will jam up the shifting. IMGP3225.JPG IMGP3228.JPG IMGP3198.JPG
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    In the pictures of empty case this is right under the differential and you have to take that out to see it. You can see the shift rod with the doo-hickey attached to it that follows an ' H ' pattern and goes back and forth in that pocket. If you have a detached speedometer gear down there it ends up in that pocket and prevents it from coming back. If you move the car a bit in the other direction being plastic and light it will get washed from the movement of the fluid to make it end up on the other side. 1st and 2nd throw is on the bottom, 3rd and 4th next up with 5th and reverse on top so it might allow 5th and reverse movement while stopping the other gears. escortponyjunkie your speedo gear could have ended up somewhere entirely different in the way it is jammed up so well but this is where they usually go. You will most likely have to open your trans up but it is very possibly still in fine shape. It has been a couple years but I believe I remember that you have to take off the steel cover first where 5th gear and reverse gears are and disconnect some linkage and then you can take the rest of the case apart. There is no gasket. You are supposed to make sure the surface is good and smooth and clean and use the heavy black silicone to seal it back up. You are supposed to run a small bead around the holes and down the center and then close it up tightening all the bolts within about 10 minutes. I put mine together and attempted to use a torque wrench and started stretching the cheap grade 0 bolts so I had to open it back up clean it all off and try again . I got some more realistic bolts and put them in good and tight with about a 6 inch long wrench and called it good. Dont even think about using the original bolts again. They had a 6 on them. I think it meant how many times youll kick yourself in the ass if you try and use them.
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    I like your pictures, i like your explanation. Almost makes me want to take my 5-speed apart; but I will wait till it needs something. Most likely synchros I suppose.
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    Welp tomorrow I'm putting her under the knife... after 2 days ago our battery died in our impala...and I had to jump it wit my lil pony.. tho it can't move it starts and runs still like a champ... and while having it hooked up to the impala I sat and ran sum high rpm revs... oh man... I gotta get her back runnin I miss her purrrrrr.....
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    Just trying to help. From what I learned about these transaxles if your speedometer gear comes off it will most likely jam it up. While it means your trans is probably still good it also means to get it back to right you have to go through all the fun of taking it out and opening it up. Its been about 7 years for me and I don't remember exactly all the details but some I do like ones I been talking about The one I did had 200,000 miles on it and was pretty worn but still good ( I still have it ). One thing I remember that I was not too comfortable with was the factor that the rod the spider gears ride on in the differential is held in place with a roll pin instead of a bolt. With 200k miles the rod was not a tight precision fit any more and had a little play. All I could do was trust it and I drove it another 30 - 40 thousand miles, of course I was not power shifting it or anything like that. Another thing was at the time I couldn't find any paperwork or pictures from 2nd generation ( it was '93 ) just 1st and 3rd so I had to play close is good.
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    I appreciate it. I'm gonna try to solve this prob tomorrow! Hope it ain't too horrible
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    Welp.. not the speed sensor... it is fully in tact and in good condition.... :-(
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    Have you been able to figure out what the problem is?
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    Well that's interesting. Post some pics of the internals. Did it loose fluid ? Where's the ATF fluid ?

    ...I don't know, mine's taken plenty of hard 88hp drive'n over the decades. But I've always been a good shifter... none of that releasing the clutch before I'm completely in or out of a gear. It's also always put completely on the floor.
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    Atf is in the hole with wats left of the gears. Lol
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    The Saturn "S" series cars had a reputation for chewed up differentials and holes gouged into the bell housings. I think it usually happened after a cowboy of a driver would yank the shift lever into Drive with the engine turning about 5k rpm, and smoke the tires. Doing this more than once was likely to snap the roll pin holding the differential rod in place, and that rod would migrate out - gouging the hole into the bell housing a little further every time it came around.
    I had to replace the auto trans in a 92 Saturn we had for that reason.
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    The squirrelly shifting of a malfunctioning S-series transmission can create the same situation of it slaming into a gear during hard acceleration. Since the issue manifests slowly over time, that result I would classify as neglect, versus the abusive situation of intentionally slamming through gears.
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    We had five of those "S" series sedans in our family at one time or another; four of them with the automatic transmission. The trans all behaved well as far as I know. We never had the "reverse slam" that some owners did, nor any other misbehavior. The 92 that I got from a cousin and which had the hole gouged through into the bell housing worked fine too - if you kept refilling it with ATF each morning. It made lots of spots in the parking lot when picking grandsons up after school though. Her oldest son was definitely an abuser of that car.
    The ones we still have are a 95 that needs some cleaning of its lifters, and a daily driver 99; both of which have well over 200k miles on them. The 3 that we no longer have all died as a result of being smashed in the tail end in traffic accidents; and being considered 'unrepairable' by the insurance company.
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    <100k, rarely driven. The valve body issues should be a relatively simple fix. An increasing list of small issues and a few not-so-small issues. (had DexCool in it) But I don't have time to maintain the other two vehicles the way I'd like to let alone deal with all of them. Will keep you in mind when eventually ready to let it go. (may be quite awhile yet) VA is probably a bit closer than TX though. Besides that, I know how you like to pick'em up dead. ;)
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    Looks like you grenaded the diff! XD

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