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Noob thinking about racing

Discussion in 'Circle Tracks' started by Krazy40, Aug 19, 2013.

  1. Krazy40

    Krazy40 FEOA Member

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    I am thinking about putting a together a fwd race car to race on my local track.

    Here is a link to the rules:

    http://fwrace.com/StockCars/wp-conte...-FWD-rules.pdf

    I have no seat time. I have been around race cars for the last 5 years because my brother has been racing. I grew up going to the track, just never got in a car.

    Its a little different track. There is a 1/2 mile track, then they added another turn 1&2 inside to make a 3/8ths mile track. Turns 1 & 2 are not the same as 3&4. Its has some good banking to it, i just don't know the degrees. I couldn't find it on the website.

    As for the rules: Any manufacturer can be used. 4 & 6 cylinders allowed. No turbos/superchargers. 6 cylinder has to be an Auto, no 6 cylinder v-tech. . Suspension set up is allowed(with some rules) but no "aftermarket" parts for the suspension or engine. The engine has to match the manufacturer(no # of cams restriction though they add weight for more cams)

    The dominating car is my buddy's Acura Integra with a v-tech. He has qualified at 18.9's, he is probably faster but he doesn't want weight added to his car(its in the rules and they have added 150lbs to him since the start of the season). The next 3 cars run 19.3-19.5 and are a Saturn(Acura guys brother), Neon, and Olds toronado(3.8 v6). He is really the only one that has done "ok" in a v-6 car. Just too much nose weight for those cars from what i hear.

    There is one Gen 2 probe. He does well(usually finished 5th behind those guys running 19.7's), but he blew his motor the first race he had it out, and could only afford to put a 200k+ mile junk yard motor in it.

    I want to stick with the "Big 3" and not go the honda route. GM doesn't seem to be competitive. The Neon doesn't interest me. I have narrowed it down to the fords. Gen 1 Probe, gen 2 escort(with a later 2.0 motor in it) or a escort ZX2(though I haven't looked up the wheel base on it yet)



    What do you guys think? I know everybody will be a escort fan, but still wanted to ask your opinions.
  2. ShakeZilla19

    ShakeZilla19 My name is ^^^

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    If you use a 2nd gen. A 2.0L CVH or 1.8L GT swap are a must. I would stay away from the Zx2 since they add weight for DOHC. The Z is already pretty heavy vs. the 2nd gen. Wheel base is all the same, among the Escorts, something like 98 inches or so.
  3. Krazy40

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    I reread the rules, and the amount of cams does not matter, the number of valves due.

    "For 2-valve OHC engine - Add 25 lbs. For 3-valve OHC engine - Add 75
    lbs. For 4-valve OHC engine - Add 100 lbs. ."

    I figured the 2.0 swap would be a must. Haven't read too much about 1.8, but heard they might be hard to find.

    Still stuck between the Gen 1 probe or the Gen 2 escort.
  4. Krazy40

    Krazy40 FEOA Member

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    I am still stuck between the Gen 1 probe and Gen 2 Escort(with the 2.0 SPI swap)
    Both have cheap options available on craigslist.

    I guess there is two deciding factors:

    1. Engine: Minimum base weight is 2150(with driver in it). Might be hard to get the probe down from it's 2800 curb weight to roughly 1900lbs. The 2400lbs escort probably won't be as hard.

    2. Engine: Which is a better motor? the 2.2l in the probe or the 2.0 SPI in the escort? It looks like the base numbers are close (110hp/130ft-lbs - 110hp/125ft-lbs) so I guess it matters which is easier to work on, tune, find replacement parts.

    Or you all could just tell me to shut up, they both will be good
  5. ShakeZilla19

    ShakeZilla19 My name is ^^^

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    IDK, about the 2.2 but the parts for the SPI are very hard to find. I would use an Escort because it is lighter.
  6. drommer

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    WOW. Your rules...These, by comparison, are what we run by: http://www.langley-speedway.com/rules/2013_ENDURO_RULES.pdf
    Been running for 5 years now. I was in the U-Cars ( 4cyl, SOHC ) My 2.0 2nd gen Escort couldn't keep up with the Saturns/Cavaliers. Switched over to Enduro's.
    I now drive a 97 3.5 Intrepid. This year I have my Intrepid, a Concorde, 2 Escort GT's, a Buick Century and the newest addition to my stable , ZX2. We all are in the top 10.
    Years past I've also ran an Accord V-6 ( Worthless) New style Cougar V-6 (OK for my daughter to drive) 4 different Escort Lx's ( Not as fast as the GT's.) and a Plymouth Torismo that couldn't get out of it's OWN way.
    The top cars are: Taurus SHO, Grand Am, Escort GT, 2 Acura's, Prelude.
    Good Luck and BE SAFE.
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    Yeah, those rules are pretty strict. Our rules are pretty open compared to what I'ave seen else where. That class usually has the highest car count each week.
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    Just came across this post. I never got a car. Still interested though. Our track actually closed last year, but reopened this year with a new promoter. Pretty much anything goes as long as the motor matches the model it came in (meaning, if you drive a probe, any year probe motor can be used, but you can not put a motor out of an escort in it) FWD class is pretty diverse right now:

    My brother's 89 Honda Prelude. Engine is well wore out. He drives his ass off to keep up with the the other cars as he works this "turn-key race ready" pile he bought. He already took have .5 off his time from week 1-week 2. He won the heat race holding off the built civic, and won the feature.

    Gen 2 Cavalier Z24. This car has been around for years. 3-4 owners. He is the fastest in the class for now. He and my bro are the better drivers in the class. Car is beat to crap but is fast. In 2013 he ended the season on top of one car and below another and a wicked lap 1 wreck. He wasn't there last night.

    20xx Honda Accord. Great looking car, newest one i have ever seen in the FWD class at any track. Pretty fast, young kid racing. he's learning. 2nd 2 weeks in a row

    Gen 2 Neon. This car has been around for few years also. few different drivers. Car is stupid fast for a SOHC. With a good driver, he was running with the honda's a couple years ago. Young kid in it now and learnign to drive. Smacked it off the wall last night

    90's Honda(not sure what model) Good car, new driver. Same "team" as the neon

    2 Gen 2 probe's. Same probe as mentioned in my original post plus he got a team mate. They didn't race much last year, was their first night out last night and got the bugs to work out. Usually pretty quick and decent driver.

    Built 90's Honda Civic. Fastest car on the track, driver can't drive it. He actually built all the motors for the honda's that use to dominate this track(they all moved onto other classes). He decided to start racing. Probably should have not given himself so much power to start. Smacked the wall hard last night trying to keep up with my brother though the corner. He pulls on everybody in the straights.


    Someday I will make the plunge. I actually fit in my brothers car this year, I may take some hot laps at some point. I still like the idea of an escort, even though the Honda's seem to be the way to go.

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