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#1 ·
Ok, since I bought a new car I figured I´d sign up at a forum simliar to feoa only for kias. So I found www.streetkiaz.com. There board is setup similiar to this one (even thought this one is better in my opinion). Anywho, I tried telling them that the 91-96 egts use the Mazda 1.8L BP engine and that is has forged internals. They believe me on the engine cause the first gen Sehpias use that engine too (only with extra emissions crap added on). However; they don´t believe that it has forged internals. Can someone back me up on this, that is if I am right at all. Post here first then I´ll tell you where to go to confirm what I have already said.
 
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You´re right. the 1.8 GT (engine code: BPD8, GTX/BPDT is turbo version) uses forged internals with a compression ratio of 9.0:1. It has a stroke & bore of 2.25x3.37. It´s a DOHC 16 Valve engine with a VICS (variable inertia charge system) which initiates at 5500 rpm and has a 7000 rpm redline. max power output is 127 hp @ 6500 rpm and 114 lb ft @ 4500 rpm. They´re used in 2nd generation Escort GTs from 1991 to 1996. They are the best engines in the world. screw Civic SI B16a 1.6s!!! :-] :-]
I´ve been told that they´re the stroked version of the mid 80s Merkur 1.6 XR4Ti turbo engine? :-? (I saw one of those today with a rally wing on it...looked cool...my partner called it ´rice´ lol) Maybe I mixed something up in the last part there.
 
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I was pretty sure I was right (I´ve been on this site for 9 months now I´d better know my stuff). Is there a site somewhere that actually SAYS it has forged internals. That way I will have proof. You have to sign up in order to post on their site, so I will just copy and paste your replies from here so you don´t have to do anything else (We´re all lazy). With your help I shouldn´t have any problems convincing them of the truth.
 
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Ok it´ll be SOMEWHERE in here...................I like this site. it´s got way way too much info...and it´s bookmarked on my page!! :-] :-] :-] :-] :-]

Mazda 4 cylinder Engine History and Interchangability Guide
By Randy Stocker

Like most auto manufacturers Mazda has a lot of commonality between engines. There are four basic types of 4 cylinder piston motors that Mazda currently produces for the US market. They are grouped into engine families, 'B', 'F', ´Z´ and 'G'. The Miata uses the 'B' family of motors.

The 'B' family starts with a 1.3 liter SOHC. It was primarily used oversees but did come to the USA for a short stint in the Ford Festiva (other markets got a DOHC 1.3). The primary example of the early 'B' motors in the USA came here in the GLC as a 1.5 liter SOHC, later upped to 1.6 liters for the 323 in the mid 80's (78x83.6mm). The 1.6 liter version has as large a bore as the block can accommodate and cannot really have it´s displacement increased much more, in fact, enlarging the bore beyond +1mm is not advised. A DOHC head was designed for the 1.6 liter for the 1988 323 GTX turbo. Because of the severe duty that motor could see many enhancements were made to it for reliability reasons. A stronger web stiffened block and oil spray cooled pistons were among the changes. See SSS Automotive site from Australia for B6T tidbits.

The 116 HP Miata 1.6 DOHC motor from 1990-1993 is a normally aspirated version of that 323 turbo engine. It mainly differs from the turbo counterpart in higher compression pistons (to 9.4:1), lighter connecting rods and a lighter flywheel. This means that the NA version of the motor is quite over engineered for its applications. (how many NA motors do you know have oil spray cooling for the pistons). The automatic transmission version of the 1.6 DOHC engine has lower compression pistons to 9.0:1 and the camshafts have less duration. These changes were done for the automatic version to gain torque at a lower rpm and minimize detonation from the torque eating trans. The tradeoff is a less peak HP rating of 100. In 1991 a running change was made to the crank design from repeated failures of the pulley keyway. The pre-91 motors had a 22mm crank snout while the late 1991 and later had 27mm crank snouts. The 1.6 DOHC motor lived on in the Mercury Capri and XR2 until 1995.

1.6 pistons. oil squirters

The pistons that were available for the 1.6 B6P were the 323 GTX 7.8:1 with a heavy dish (left), the Miata automatic 9.0:1 with a moderate dish (middle) and the Miata 5-speed 9.4:1 with a shallow 1mm dish (right)

The rods used in the 88-89 323GTX turbo are beefier. They have a thicker beam, thicker small end and larger size bolts. They weight approx 580 grams (w/bolts and nuts) vs the approx 540 grams of the Miata rod. The GTX rods are no longer available new from Mazda and the Miata pieces supercede it.

In 1994 the need to meet emissions standards and to confront cries for more power in the Miata was answered by using the 1.8 DOHC motor that has been in the Protege since 1990. It is also a 'B' family member but has a longer bore spacing to accommodate the larger 83mm pistons. The stroke was also increased to 85mm (both the 1.6 and 1.8 DOHC have the same 221.5mm block deck height and 134mm head height). The 1.8 is the same design and is just as robust as the 1.6. It has the same rods, same oil-cooled pistons, same oil passages, same head design, same HLA´s and same crank design. Unlike the 1.6, the auto trans version of the 1.8 was not changed at all.

Since the 1.8 is really just a stretched 1.6, most everything on the front and back of the motor will interchange between the them. This includes the cam angle sensor, coolant intake pipes, flywheel/clutch assembly, various covers and brackets, cam gears, water pump, and timing belt tensioner, etc. The intake manifold, exhaust manifold, motor mount brackets and camshafts do not interchange because of the bore spacing differences. The 1.8 'B' motor has also seen duty in the 1991-1995 Ford Escort GT/LXE, 1990-99 Mazda Protege, 1991-95 Mercury Tracer LTS and Kia Sephia GS. (FYI, the 90-93 Escort GT and Tracer LTS 1.8 DOHC use the same throttlebody and flowmeter as the 1.6 Miata).

A SOHC BP 1.8 was used in the Protege from 92-94 and the short block is identical to the DOHC. The SOHC pistons when used in a DOHC motor produce about 8.2:1 CR. The lower half of the SOHC two piece intake manifold also makes a great foundation for a custom IRTB for the 90-97 BP DOHC heads.

Dished BP SOHC piston.

The head of the 1.8 'B' was slightly revised with the stretch job by using larger sized intake and exhaust ports, larger valves, moving the cam angle sensor from the intake to the exhaust cam, and using a 4mm higher lift cam with shorter valve stem lengths and a larger base circle. OEM cams specs. For 1995 the valve springs were revised slightly stiffer. This allowed the thick seat shim (1+mm) that was used on the 94 1.8 motor to boost the installed spring pressure to be removed and was replaced by just a thin metal shim (about .005") to protect the head seat.

95 valve springs (left) are stiffer compared to 99+.

Starting with the 3/95 start of the ODB-II implementation (VIN 14193) the pistons were changed with a slight dome to increase the compression ratio to an actual 9.0:1. The ´94-3/95 pistons were factory rated at 9.0:1 but actually was around 8.8.

94 vs 96 piston

The Japanese/Austr market version of the Protege got a turbo version of the 1.8, the ´BPT´ equipped GTR and GTX. The very rare GTR recieved, amoung other things, a special web stiffened block cast ´BPII´, a special cast ´26´ head with a flow vane in the intake port and sodium filled exhaust valves!.

In 1996 the peak HP rating of the Miata 1.8 motor was raised to 133 hp from 128. This comes primarily from the new for 1996 ODBII software having the ability to lean out the above 6000 rpm fuel curve. The slightly raised dome 9.0 pistons also continued.

The 1999-00 Miata uses basically the same 1.8 'B' as the 1994-1997 but it was again revised. The ´BP-4W´ engine uses a block with higher compression pistons to 9.5:1 from 9.0:1. The head had the most enhancements, the intake ports were raised from 39 degrees to 51 degrees to create a straighter flow path (the exhaust ports did not change), the hall effect cam angle sensor (CAS) was removed from the back of the head and replaced with a magnetic sensor and toothed wheel on the front of the crankshaft (a second magnetic sensor was added to the intake cam gear pulley to verify timing), and solid lifter camshafts with advanced timing, more duration and lots more intake lift were introduced.

Cutaway comparison of Mk1 and Mk2 1.8 head.

The stock 99-00 cams are actually quite strong from the factory. They will easily support higher hp levels with more lift adn duration than the 90-97 HLA cam. Mazda also makes an intake cam specifc to the home Japanese market. It has the same specs as the USA cam but the cam timing is advance a few degrees. If is part number BP5A12420.

Japanese spec cam identifed by "5A" cast into billet.

The 99-00 head will interchange onto the earlier 1.8 block if you also determine how to control the variable intake valve in the ´99 manifold (VICS systems, probable a rpm activated selenoid will do it) as well as retrofit a cam angle sensor for the earlier ECU (the cam drive is still there so it just slaps on). You will also need a 99+ intake manifold.

To install 99-00 cams in an earlier head you just have to transfer the solid lifters. The early retainers, locks and springs can be used as-is. The lifters fit them fine. You just can´t mix the locks and the retainers since the locks are different size. i.e. the 99+ locks must be used with the 99+ retainers and the 94-97 locks must be used with the 94-97 retainers. The only hard part is setting the lash. Using the 99+ cams in a M1 head requires using shims that are .020-.030" thicker since the cam basecircle and valve stem are slightly different. You will have to install the cams, measure the cold lash, and then order the required size shims. From the factory they come in 2.75mm - 3.75mm thickness about every .002 - .003" (~.05-.06mm)

Spring retainer/lock compare 99+ left, HLA style right.

99+ head uses blockoff plate for cam angle sensor. 99-00 identified by ´4W´ cast on head and cams.

Interestingly though, the 99-00 EX cam retains cam angle drive.

99 intake ports are much higher and angle downward 90-97 1.8 ´B´ intake ports.

99+ intake port mismatch with 90-97 gasket. 99-00 VICS intake manifold

99+ uses solid lifters (left) with adjustment disk while 90-97 uses HLA´s (right).

99 solid lifter intake cam vs 90-97 hydrallic, visible difference in profile. Mazda reverted back to the solid billet design from the 1.6 instead of the hollow design of the 90-97 1.8.

99-00 uses a second timing sensor in the intake cam sprocket in addition to the crank sensor.

99-00 pistons produce 9.5:1 compression through a raised dome in the middle.

For 2001 Mazda introduced another variant of the 1.8 'B' with ´VVT´ variable valve timing and higher compression 10:1 pistons. It was advertised as having 155 hp but in reality only had 142 hp because of US emissions tuning. VVT is a hydralically adjusted intake cam for advance, retard and overlap and uses the oil pressure and a ECU controlled valve for adjustment.

The 2001 ´BP-Z3´ engine also had a new intake manifold without VICS but with a similar torque enhancing set of partial butterflys that increases velocity. One of the unique improvements for 2001 was the addition of a Main Bearing Support Plate (MBSP). Even though the ´B´ engine uses 5 mail bearings the crankshaft can still flex quite a bit at higher revs and output levels. Mazda added a MBSP by tying the main caps together bolting it to a thicker stamping if the windage tray.

The 2001 ´BP-Z3´ engine´s head can be retrofitted to ealier 1.8 blocks but you´re on your own on how to control the cam selenoid. The MBSP can be installed on all prior 1.8 Miata blocks as long as the 2001 oil pan is used too - all year main caps come cast and machined with the bosses (it was actually OEM on the rare early GTR motor).

VVT 2001 10:1 piston 2001 intake manifold 2001 MBSP

The ´Z´ engines are a new family which is an evoltion of the ´B´ engine. The head is entirely different with round ports and narrow valve angles but the shortblock is nearly the same as the B6.

Z5 engine

I get a lot of questions about Miata interchangabilty with the 626/MX6 and B series truck motors because of the larger 2.0 liter displacement. Here´s the scoop as I know it.

The 'F' motors (F,FE,F2, FS) are larger in both bore spacing and deck height than the 'B's are are mostly unrelated. Little to nothing will interchanges between the ´B´ and ´F´ motors, even the bellhousing bolt pattern is different from the ´B´ motors.

The ´F´/´MA´ engines were first used in the late 70's in the 2.0 liter RWD 626 and B2000/Ford Courier. An enhanced version called the FE was introduced in the 1984 2.0 liter (86x86mm) FWD 626 and the B2000 pickup. The stroke was increased in 1988 for the 2.2 F2 motor as used in the B2200 and MX6/626/Ford Probe. None of the Mazda 4 cylinder heads are an interferance fit with the exception of the long stroke 2.2. All the F, FE and F2 motors had SOHC heads with the exception of the 1998+ 2.0 liter Kia Sportage which uses the block from the 1984-87 B2000/MX6 (86x86) mated with a new, very ´B´ like, DOHC head. This engine was also in use in the Japanese only market 4wd 626 and European/Austrailan market 626 16V too.

2.0 DOHC ´FE3´ motor in European market 1990 626 16V

In 1993 Mazda created a short bore spacing version of the F engine called the 'FS'. It was used in the 1993+ 626/MX6 (83x92mm) and had a DOHC head. Although it is loosly based on the ´FE/F2´ internals it is a new generation and not many parts interchange. The motor mount bosses are in different locations and the bellhousing bolt pattern is different. Same situation as the generation change between the ´F´/´MA´ and the ´FE´.

The 'G' motors are the 2.6 liter truck motors. All are SOHC. There have been two 2.6´s, the 1987/88 was a Mitsubishi built engine and from 1989-93 was a Mazda designed and built motor. It was also used in the MPV.

The common use of the engine types makes for some interesting and easy to do swaps, such as a 1.8 DOHC Escort GT motor in a Ford Festiva, 2.0 DOHC Kia Sportage Engine in a MX-6/626/Probe/B2200, and a 2.0 DOHC ´FS´ MX6 engine in a 1999 Protege. Hmmmm...

Mazda 4 cylinder engines
Motor Years Bore Stroke CC Models
1.3 B 1988-1993(USA) 71 83.6 1324 Ford Festiva. Japanese market got DOHC head option.
1.5 E/B5 SOHC ? 77 80 1490 GLC
1.6 SOHC B6 8V ? 78 83.6 1597 323, 90-92 Protege
1.6 SOHC B6 16V ? 78 83.6 1597 92-93 MX-3 (16V SOHC head)
1.6 DOHC B6P 1988-1995 78 83.6 1597 323 GTX, Miata, Mercury Capri/XR2, 94-95 MX-3
1.8 SOHC B8 1990-1992 83 85 1839 Protege
1.8 DOHC BP 1990-2001 83 85 1839 90-98 Protege, 91-96 Ford Escort GT, 94-01 Miata, Mercury Tracer LTS, 94-97 Kia Sephia GS
2.0 F/MA 1978-82 80 98 1970 RWD 626, B2000, Courier
2.0 FE 1984-87 86 86 1998 8V FWD 626/MX6, B2000
2.0 FET 1985-87 86 86 1998 8V FWD Turbo 626/MX6
2.0 FE3 DOHC 1995+ 86 86 1998 Kia Sportage
2.2 F2 1988-1992 86 94 2184 8V B2200, 12V FWD 626/MX6, Ford Probe
2.2 F2T 1988-1992 86 94 2184 12V FWD Turbo 626/MX6, Ford Probe
2.0 DOHC FS * 1993+ 83 92 1991 FWD 626/MX6, 1999+ Protege, Protege5
1.8 DOHC FP 1999+ 83 85 1839 1999 Protege
1.5 ZL DOHC 1999+ 78 78.4 1498 1999+ Japanese market Protege. Has VVT
1.5 Z5 DOHC 1995-98 75.3 83.6 1489 1999 Protege
1.6 Z6/M DOHC 1999+ 78 83.6 1597 1999+ Protege

Much of the credit for the ´F´ engine information goes to Mazda Master Technician Alan Johnson of Rosen Mazda in Gurney, IL. Thanks Alan!

* Note. The Japanese market recieved a 170 hp varient of the FS called the FS-ZE. It had performance oriented intake cam, intake manifold and ECU tuning combined with higher 10.5:1 compression ration pistons.

UPDATE 9/21/98 As reported in the August 1998 issue of the MCA magazine, Mazdaspeed makes a 3mm stroker crank for the 1.8 ´B´ motor. This crank is used in the Japanese only market 2.0 liter C-Spec Miata (85x88). It is part number 9E3A-11-300 and costs $2,258.66 USD. It is basically a forged racing prepped unit and that is why it costs so much. It is available for import from Mazda Competition at 800-435-2508.

Also, Toda Racing in Japan offers a race prepped forged stroker crank for the 1.6 ´B´ engine as well. According to their web page (http://www.todaracing.com), it offers a total of 1854cc. It currently sells for 300,000 Yen which is $2112 @142 Yen/USD.

UPDATE 9/21/2000

(Q)What Mazda engines besides the 12a and 13b rotary can be swapped into the Miata?

(A)

Mazda makes 5 ´boinger´ [piston] engine families. They are:

´J´ 90 degree v6 (as in the 3.0L 929 and MPV)
´K´ 60 degree V6 (1.8 MX3, 2.0, 2.3 Millenia, 93+ 2.5 MX6/Probe)
´B´ 4 cylinder (323, Protege, Miata)
´F´ 4 cylinder (B2000/B2200, 78-92 F/FE/F2/F2T 626/MX6, 93+ FS 626/MX6)
´G´ 4 cylinder (B2600, MPV) The DOHC ´J´ is generally too wide for the Miata engine bay. Mazdaspeed M2 had done a swap of this engine back in 92 as an engineering exercise and is the only one known to exist. The SOHC fits but why, it´s only 165 hp and not really matched to the Miata.
The ´K´ engines are not designed for RWD and not only do the manifolds and plumbing not line up correctly for RWD but it will have oil starvation problems if used as such. MCA tried a swap of it back in 93 but was stillborn. The Susuki variant of the engine as used in the Vitara has real possibilities though! This swap has been talked about at length in the Miatapower list list and ´ask Bob´ at Miata.net.

The ´F´ engines are the ´big blocks´ of the 4 cylinders. They are long stroke motors and are generally not designed for high revs. All were cast iron SOHC with the exception of the FS and FE3. The FE3 has been used here in the states in the Kia Sportage and has real possibilities for a Miata swap. I´m going to be installing a 2.3 version in a Miata this winter. I have written about it in the Miatapower list.

Any swap would require a tranny swap (or integrated bellhousing swap) too since none of the other engine families use the same bellhousing bolt pattern. I am using the B2200 truck tranny (w/Miata gears and a Miata PPF tailshaft housing) for my swap.
 
#5 ·
lmao dude forgot to give ya the site i found that at.

http://members.aol.com/solomiata/MX5Engine.html

I am in no way responsible for writing that. I purely copied it. yes I copied it, but you know damn well someone has done their home work on that subject. don´t mind the (right, left) stuff...there´s pictures on that site. :-]
I didn´t read it all, so again it´ll be in there somewhere.
 
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I´ve been told that they´re the stroked version of the mid 80s Merkur 1.6 XR4Ti turbo engine? :-? (I saw one of those today with a rally wing on it...looked cool...my partner called it ´rice´ lol) Maybe I mixed something up in the last part there.
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The Merkur XR4ti used a turbo 2.3 liter OHC, same one as in the T-Bird Turbo Coupe of all years, Cougar XR7 turbo of 83-86, Mustangs that were turbocharged, such as the SVO(my fave), GT turbo of early 80s, and even earlier turbo mustangs like the 79 Cobra and I believe a stand alone option on lower models in 79, 80, and 81, correct me there:-?.
It is called the Lima.
The Merkur, SVO, and 87-88 Tbird Turbo Coupe had Intercoolers. The Merkur made 175 hp in Stick and 150 hp in shushbox.
It is the same 2.3 that is in alot of fords in aspro form, starting with the pinto.
The 2.3 in the Tempo/Topaz is a different motor. A distinguishing difference is the pushrods. It is derived from the 3.3 liter inline 6.
The Merkur XR4ti was a European Ford Sierra. Many bodystyles and models were available there, but we got just the sport model. Over ther it was called the XR4i, without the "t" because it had no turbo 4, but their ubiquitous 2.8 V6. It was in alot of Ford of Europe´s sport models then, models that usually ended in "2.8i" like the Granada 2.8I and the Capri XR5. They made that old Capri body well into the late 80s.
I don´t know what wing you were talking about, but note that the XR4ti came standard with a double decker wing in the first few years. :)

[ This message was edited by: MadBrad on 22-04-2003 22:04 ]
 
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Not that that information isn´t usefull, but it did not say anything about forged internals, which is what I am trying to prove. If it did, then I missed it, but I´m pretty sure I didn´t see it. You can double check if you like and highlight the part that says it, otherwise I´m going to need more proof.
 
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