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I have taken off the a/c and now want to take off the power steering pump. In doing this I know that i will get a few ponys, but what I don't know is should I get the rack and pion (spell?) off a car with out power steering? Or can I just plug the holes where the hoses were? Getting riad of the ps and ac (I was told) will get the stock 1.9 up to around 110 hp. I am not going to do much to the 1.9L cause I am planning on a Zentec or 1.8 BPT. But in the mean time I would like to get as much out of the 1.9 as cheap as possable.
 

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I want to get rid of my power steering because I can't stand the lack of road feel, or the way the damn thing binds up when I'm working through a slalom.

<-- *thinks PS is for wussies*
 

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If you remove just the belt, you'll gain maybe 1 or 2 hp for not spinning the pulley. If you remove the system you'll lose the weight.. and there's no better than performance modification than lost weight. The whole system weighs about 50-75lbs. You'll feel an overall difference in the way the car behaves if you remove it.
 

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You should be fine keeping the P/S rack on and pluging the holes. I did that with my Mustang and didn't run into any probs. I tell you this though, the Scort with no P/S is a bear to drive in the parking lots, and in slow turns. I know from experience. In the Mustang I could light up the rear tires and U-turn on a dime, but there is no such luck in an FWD car.
 

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Beaverboy said:
If you remove just the belt, you'll gain maybe 1 or 2 hp for not spinning the pulley.
It more than that my friend. I get a average of 104 @ the wheels with the belt on. With the belt off I get over 111 hp @ the wheel.
 

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I am not sure about the exact hp gain but I was reading the forms over at the escort racing development team archives and found that a pony scort has around 110hp and the lx has around 94hp (ps and ac robbing hp) I don't know if this is true but it sound right, even if the numbers arn't right. From working with small block chevys I have found that it takes about 5 to 10 hp to run the ps and ac. I have also read that removing the air silencer (that black milk jug looking thing under the filter book) will give you a few hp in the top end (around 3000 to 4500 rpm) I have removed mine but don't know if it will help yet. I am having the head rebiulted and ported. The ac and every thing that went with it is gone. I will go ahead and put on the exhaust that I will be running for the Zentec. In doing this I hope to get 130hp or so.

PS I have found a Zentec, wiring, and computer from a 2002 ZX2 with about 14k on it for about $1000. Thanks to MasterCard it will go on my engine tuesday. I am going to spend a months putting about $5k or $6k into it before I but it in the wagon. By fall I hope to be plowing the door of all those Hondas and laughing my ass off as I do it.
 

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wiccansilver said:
found that a pony scort has around 110hp and the lx has around 94hp (ps and ac robbing hp) I don't know if this is true but it sound right, even if the numbers arn't right.
My stock 93 Pony has 75 hp @ the wheels.
My 96 LX made about 69-70 @ the wheels.
But my LX has the larger MAF and CAI.
I gain about 7-8 hp by removing the belt on the LX.
I'm tuboing my Pony.
 

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Beaverboy said:
I want to get rid of my power steering because I can't stand the lack of road feel, or the way the damn thing binds up when I'm working through a slalom.

<-- *thinks PS is for wussies*
<-- *is a wussy*

I drove a Geo metro for a year and a half w/o power steering, although it was a lighter car, i thought it was a pain in the ass. I love my PS. :wink:
 

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Gotta have my power steering and ac..........life sucks without both. I got stuck driving an 81 chevette without both and just am radio through out high school.............
 

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yeah I love my PS too. I think it's worth the power loss.

remember guys: power is nothing without control.
:roll: Control is limited by accuracy. PS is innacurtate because your sense of feedback and perceived steering force:turning force ratio are dependent on the temperature of a fluid in a system under power from a pump that's speed is ever-changing. Besides, most non-power steering racks have adjustments you can make to lower the tension. My buddy who autocrosses his 320i (no power steering & the best steering feel to be had this side of a racecar), loosens the rack for every race.. because it's too loose for the street (and this is with 205 width race compound tires). It takes an allen wrench and about 2 minutes.

Different strokes for different folks though.
 

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Beaverboy said:
siragan said:
yeah I love my PS too. I think it's worth the power loss.

remember guys: power is nothing without control.
:roll: Control is limited by accuracy. PS is innacurtate because your sense of feedback and perceived steering force:turning force ratio are dependent on the temperature of a fluid in a system under power from a pump that's speed is ever-changing. Besides, most non-power steering racks have adjustments you can make to lower the tension. My buddy who autocrosses his 320i (no power steering & the best steering feel to be had this side of a racecar), loosens the rack for every race.. because it's too loose for the street (and this is with 205 width race compound tires). It takes an allen wrench and about 2 minutes.

Different strokes for different folks though.
I agree, when I drive my pony I feel like I'm driving a go-cart, sure its hard to steer when your sitting still but once your going its ok, sometimes to get performance you have to give up little comfy things
 

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Beaverboy said:
siragan said:
yeah I love my PS too. I think it's worth the power loss.

remember guys: power is nothing without control.
:roll: Control is limited by accuracy. PS is innacurtate because your sense of feedback and perceived steering force:turning force ratio are dependent on the temperature of a fluid in a system under power from a pump that's speed is ever-changing. Besides, most non-power steering racks have adjustments you can make to lower the tension. My buddy who autocrosses his 320i (no power steering & the best steering feel to be had this side of a racecar), loosens the rack for every race.. because it's too loose for the street (and this is with 205 width race compound tires). It takes an allen wrench and about 2 minutes.

Different strokes for different folks though.
PS will tend to fluctuate (sp?) durring a long autocross with lots of quick turns. I'll probably remove my PS and AC as soon as I get back and can start working on the escort project
 

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ps isnt for wussies its for safety...those ofyou who remove your ps in a car designed for ps, i will laugh for the day when u need a split second manueverability and you wont have it...see yourself callin ps for a wussie when u hit something or get hit and have to pay for it.....we will be callin u a wussie then...
 
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