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Manual Steering Swap

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by kaoshavoc, Sep 17, 2014.

  1. zzyzzx

    zzyzzx FEOA Member

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    That and less crap in your engine bay. I'd even say that removing PS might be better than removing the AC in terms of cleaning up the engine bay. That and I would be less likely to miss power steering since it's mostly useful for sharp turns at low speeds.
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  2. Egnorant

    Egnorant FEOA Member

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    Just a bit of info...

    First, pictures.

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    This is a Pony bracket. Note that the smooth pulley you see is for a car with AC.

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    This is the Pony AC bracket.

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    Here is a Pony Non AC, non Power steering setup. The ribbed pulley is just a standard pulley that I actually pulled off a junkyard 4.6. The belt goes from the lower ribbed pulley straight to the balancer...sorry for the cropped pic. This car originally had air and used a smooth pulley here.

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    Here is a normal setup that most Escorts have. If you wish to go no AC or power steering you can remove those components and replace the #5 pully with a grooved pulley (again, this is just a pulley and bolts right up). If you wish to remove just Power steering, a ribbed pulley on #5 MIGHT work, but with less belt contact area, I cannot be sure proper traction to turn the AC pulley. Belt size? You need to measure! I used a tape measure and took one with the tensioner hanging free and one with the tensioner pulled full back. So if you get 60 inches and 63 inches, look for a belt from 61 to 62 inches (not actual measurements of difference in tensioner slack). If you look at the diagram, it may be possible to use remove the power steering pump and just use a different length belt, but I cannot be sure as I have never done it.

    As for the rack itself, I have read that the joint from the steering column to the rack was different, but laying it beside a power joint I could tell no difference and actually forgot which was which!

    The bushings for the manual rack are different in that they have a smaller inside diameter. I was replacing bushings with Energy Suspension Poly stuff (3rd gen kit) and really didn't look too hard as I found my original bushings to be in fine shape.
    I did need to replace my front sway bar with a larger 3rd gen...and I like it a lot.

    I believe there is even a pulley setup that bolts on in place of the power steering pump as this pump was used on many Ford, Mercury and even Mazda engines.

    Hope this helps.
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    no comment needed
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  4. Egnorant

    Egnorant FEOA Member

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    These are all 1991 2nd gen brackets. Correct on the bolt hole count. Can't offer any opinion on first gen stuff...I just don't know.
    I went to look at my 2nd gen LX mount and discovered WASPS...so I am currently fighting the urge to burn it.

    Willing to bet that if you swap the smooth idler for a grooved one and get the right belt you will be golden topside without cutting.

    Bruce
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    chestypuller making the wifes commuter better

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    boy i sure could use them wasp tips around here.
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    So wait a minute, if there were Ponies with no AC & PS, then why don't you just take a Ponies Manual Steering Rack. I'm sure it used grease if not something else, and will obviously bolt straight to the chassis.
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  8. Escort LXR

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    Actually even my 2.0L SPI has 7 bolt holes and an empty slot with a Dead Spider Nest in it.:dead: I could even bolt a Pony Bracket to my block.

    BTW: there is a pony with neither ac/ps and just powers an alternator? Which would have a manual rack?
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    From experience, purpose built manual rack n pinions have a different input to output ratio making them easier to steer while in motion compared to a converted power-steering rack. Would definitely be worth the time finding the correct parts for a swap, there is no better feeling than the responsiveness of a manual rack n pinion.
  10. ShakeZilla19

    ShakeZilla19 My name is ^^^

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    Like I said before, on a powered rack you will go lock-to-lock with less turns. Downside is you lose mechanical advantage on the wheels. The manual rack is the opposite; more turns lock-to lock/but more advantage over the wheels.

    I recently removed both A/C and PS. I have not gutted the power rack just simply removed the pump and lines. You can get away with using the smooth #5 pulley. I've ran mine like this for about 6 months. So far, dry steering (parking) is the only time power steering is nice to have. I have actually learned to creep the wheels a bit while turning to overcome the added friction. Now driving a car with PS is not the same: dull, boring, and parking feels like I'm in a plastic toy.

    Overall, I've gained a bit of mileage, about 3-4 MPG. Went from 28's to 31+ without changing any habits. This was during the cold Alaskan winter. With spring here I've already hit 35+ with plenty of lead footing. This is all with the PS and A/C removed (though the A/C did not work) and with a 50% UDP on the crank. Another bonus is my forearms are more defined. :thumbsup:
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    i did the manual rack about a 2 years ago i used the rack from o'reilly auto parts core and all it was 350.00. better then looping a power rack lines. rack came with new inner tie rod end . took off all the power stuff free up lot of space
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    dose take more truns to lock . i like the manual steering the power rack leak ever where
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    finding a real pony car is the way to go for manual steering get all the brackets. if you use pony car brackets have to have ac Compressor from pony car the regular one escort AC compressor will not bolt to pony bracket
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    don't need a/c go straight manual steering and alternator only!
    More Power! More MPG! More Thrill!
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    I suspect that finding one is probably the hard part.
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    Just bought our Pony a week weeks ago and I suspect the LX brackets can be pretty easily short belted if you want a Pony "style" belt setup. The Pony has a PS delete pulley that I suspect could be directly swapped for a pump on an LX and shouldn't effect the A/C (as memory serves the last time I looked at the two next to each other). If you don't want A/C either you can probably just take the pump off and short belt it. I can probably take some pics of the Pony the next time the car is home if you want.

    Also can confirm that the Pony is getting nearly 40mpg with the windows down and running 65mph and is easily exceeding 30 in town. I suspect that to tick up a touch to 40+ when the weather cools and it's running windows up.

    Also can confirm that the manual rack isn't a big deal. I don't like or dislike it other than the silence and MPG gain from lack of a PS pump. The ratio is a little different but within 30 minutes of driving it you'll be used to it.
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    i have only seen 1 pony escort maybe 5 escort gt . there only 2 of us in my town that are building escorts .. last i had my escort on the road i was geting 25-27 in town with some highway driving that was when pump 93 was 3.50 a gallon
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    i want max mpg i wish i didnt have ac or that darn ps pump
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    Get rid of them then. Really cleans up the bay too.
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    I'd keep the a/c. It's worth a sweatless crotch on occasion and the .25 mpg gain isn't worth it IMHO

    The power steering delete is completely different story. With no power steering I can do my entire oil change topside, and I don't have skinny arms. No power steering whine or leaks. Better everything.

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