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KLDE Swap(now with pics and updates!)

Discussion in 'Engine Swaps' started by Awesome90sSpeedStripe, Nov 4, 2011.

  1. Awesome90sSpeedStripe

    Awesome90sSpeedStripe New Member

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    What I started with:
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    Not long after, I found out about some of the engines that could swap into the Escort, namely the BP variants and the KL variants. After one failed attempt at getting a BP(boring story, lets not bother with it), I was chatting with some of my brother's friends and fellow car nuts in a parking lot one night. Before the conversation got completely derailed by a GT40 that pulled in to hang out(yeah we didn't believe it either lol), me and a guy who drove a rather mysteriously built Probe were on the subject of what I might do to the Escort. I suggested that if someone just had one to give me, I'd drop a KL in it and have a blast. He says "I've got one you can have, if you don't mind hauling the car off too." And thus our little saga begins.

    Tonight, after days of making parts temporarily fit, scouring the city for some manner of wheels to roll it on, dragging the car via 2ft come-along, transporting it some 150 miles on a rented truck and trailer(and escaping the evils of mileage fees through strangely good fortune), and dismantling a seriously abused front body, the Probe GT sits in my dad's garage ready to be picked clean of what's left and have the useful stuff rammed in a much smaller car.
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    This is what I've got to work with, and if all goes well it'll be on a stand by Monday:
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    Once the engine's out, I'll be parting out what's left, and making room for the next donor on the list, a '93 MX3 GS. There's a few more pics on my Photobucket, but nothing very impressive until I get it out of the car.
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    use the probe trans, clutch, and flywheel. The probe trans has better gearing than the mx3 one. You will need all the mx3 mounts. I am not sure if the probe axles are the same as the mx3 ones. You do not need to swap the entire sub frame but you will need to swap the lateral sub frame, the one that the lateral mounts on the trans bolt to with an mx3 gs one.

    your best bet is to find an mx3 gs 5 spd car and swap out all the wiring to make it plug and play.
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    Thanks for the help, I've found some good writeups over at probetalk and clubprotege, and learned some important stuff.

    I don't know with certainty that the probe trans has better gearing than the MX-3, but it definitely will fit, and there are some supposedly stronger gears in the same ratios as the probe's that I can swap in. Also there's a few limited slip differentials that fit the probe trans, thought tracking one down may be difficult. Also turns out the probe axles are not the same, or at least not enough the same to use.

    Most importantly, I know a local junkyard that has a wrecked MX-3 GS 5spd, and I'll soon be going to check what I can swipe from it. It's a front end collision though, so I'm not getting my hopes up just yet. I'm probably gonna take some photos for my own reference when I go to break down the probe some more tomorrow, but I doubt I'll post much since I'm still waiting on a hoist to pull the engine with(buying one next week).
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    You might as well use the MX3 flywheel instead if you can. I have heard its lighter weight than the probe one.
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    yeah, according to one writeup, the MX-3 GS flywheel is 14lbs, as opposed to the KLDE's 25lb one.
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    Inadvertently sourced a transmission today. My front bumper shattered on me, and I was out at a junkyard looking for parts to do a protege bumper swap, and stumbled on a MX6 LS 5spd. I'll be buying the transmission as soon as the yard reopens from Thanksgiving, and since it has a complete KLDE, I'll probably see about getting some of parts missing from my engine.

    I was also hoping to spot a pre-facelift protege to look into a possible hood swap, but no luck, I think it'd fit right aside from having an off-angle where the hood meets the grille/headlights. That would just be a cosmetic annoyance though, and one that could possibly be fixed by a body/paint guy I know.

    Since this was the same yard I'd bought my 94 MX3 seats from, I double-checked and they still do have the older MX3 GS, but I didn't have time to get under it and check the crossmember today. It does still have it's recaros(which I'll buy soon) as well as the shifter and linkage I'll need.

    I'm beginning to realize that this will be a rather expensive swap, as anything I can't re-machine at work will be replaced with new components, and many things that may be "ok" in their present condition I'll likely replace to suit my standards, but in the end it'll be worth it.
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    oh exciting, im gonna have to log in more often so i can watch this thread
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    First post updated with pics, not much progress, but at least you can see something now. With luck I'll be pulling it before Monday!
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    Well, I didn't get the engine out today as planned, time constraints and the lack of an extra set of hands to speed the process caused me to call it quits with only the tranny bolts and mount bolts between me and a free-hanging engine. Pretty much anything else that could get in the way has been removed, and I pulled the intake manifold and firewall-side valve cover to ensure that those cams were in the same condition as the other two.

    After that, I went inside the Probe, and after much removal of the pile of random interior plastics, seats, doors, etc... I found that both front seatbelts were there, and in great shape. Halfway through the process of swapping these into my Escort now. I'll have more progress up when I go back to the garage next weekend to hopefully finish pulling the motor.

    Things I noticed that I'll need to get pics of next time...

    My intake manifold has these plastic parts(vacuum reservoirs for VRIS?) that are melted.

    When draining the oil, a small metal sleeve(I'll figure out what it came from when I get the engine apart) fell out of the oilpan.

    After draining the oil, and even jacking up the passenger side of the car to ensure all oil drained out, I screwed back in the oil plug and began removing the A/C and such. when I got started on the tranny bolts, I noticed that it was leaking oil from somewhere around the firewall side of the engine, near where the tranny bolts up. I'm so confused as to how a car can develop an oil leak after it's been drained and otherwise not moved. No hoses, piping or etc.. that transfers oil to any other component had been removed at the time. Strange...

    On a side note, trying to figure out if 2nd gen Probe brakes(probably the entire hub assembly) will swap over to MX-3 control arms/subframe components, because all four brakes on the probe are in much better shape than my Escort's brakes. If anyone knows, please let me know.

    Lastly, a pic for fun, of my custom suspension I fabricated to get the probe rolling(ish):
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    Looking good, is the probe in springfield?
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    Sadly no, I've gotta drive down to my Dad's place in Mansfield to work on it. Once the motor's out, I'll be parting out the stuff I've removed to make life easier, then trying to find someone to sell/give the body to.
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    At long last, some progress!

    I'll take some pics in the morning when I go back down, but we've almost finished pulling the engine. Things didn't go as planned, so we pulled the tranny too, primarily because we couldn't reach the firewall side header to remove the exhaust(the bolts at the cat were so bad even my impact couldn't budge them with half a can of freeze-off doused on the bolts) which blocked access to the tranny bolts. At the time we called it a night though, the engine was out far enough we could maneuver the impact to remove the remaining header, and everything else is done.

    I also managed to remove the rear strut that the previous owner wanted, so now once we get the engine out, the body's up for grabs!

    I should now point out that there's been a change of plans, and the Escort will no longer be receiving the V6. After looking long and hard at MX-3 parts cars and putting a lot of thought into the financial aspect of things, I've decided it's best to keep the Escort as a daily driver and get ahold of an MX-3 shell to put the V6 in. I prefer the style of the MX-3 to the Escort personally, would more or less need to buy one to facilitate the swap either way, and this way I don't have to buy another car for a DD while working on the Escort. Don't get me wrong, the Escort will still get fixed up a bit, but not so much in the performance category. I may yet swap the engine for a different 4 cylinder though, depends on what(if anything) is in the MX-3 when I get one. Come to think of it, I'd also almost do a K8 in the Escort, but only if the MX-3 was already a GS with an engine(like the junkyard one I've been looking at for parts lol).
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    It's out! Despite several annoyances, it actually pulled much easier than many of the engine pulls I'd read about. Admittedly since little if anything other than the engine itself was being kept, I had the luxury of simply cutting away whatever got in the way(mostly wires from the already hacked harness or auto tranny...). Now then, on to the pics.

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    Looks like you could drop a V8 in there pretty easy. You may notice that the passenger side axle fell out during the pull... Also we had to cut the exhaust off at the flex pipe due to various problems, it was rusted in half a little past the cat anyway.

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    Having the engine out of the car made it much easier getting at things like the power steering pump, firewall side header, and transmission bolts.

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    My pretty new hoist had some technical difficulties(which may or may not have been caused by repeatedly lifting the entire car by accident), so we set the engine down on a small pallet that the air compressor came bolted to. most of the external stuff has been removed, save for the headers, and the passenger side motor mount, which didn't wanna budge at the time, so I figured I'd get it next time, when I'll probably take the heads off as well. Speaking of heads, this struck me as odd...

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    Firewall side head, stamped KL-101.

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    Radiator side head, stamped KL-1A1, is this normal? I guess it could be because one is a casting that incorporates the distributor's location, but I didn't think about that at the time.
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    Lovin It!

    I've been hooked on the KL ever since a swapped a ZE into my old MX-6, that motor loves to rev.

    I've read up on a K swap into the BG chassis and began collecting parts for one myself. Unfortunately my 4-dr scort became a parts car for my LX DD and due to space constraints is being torn apart and discarded. I'm looking for a good donor chassis (possibly a ZX2?) for a KF-Turbo project. Just a tip with the KL motor - Keep an eye out on eBay (or find someone doing a KLZE swap) for a 7-pt external coil/ignitor distributor, the stock 6-pt with the internal coil and ignitor is an absolutely terrible piece of hardware (unreliable and short life span - 16 months for my brand new one at 500$!). I managed to pick up a 7pt off of eBay for my KLZE probe under 50$. Pair it with a MSD Blaster 2 Coil, a GM HEI module, and minor modifications to the wiring harness (stock wires, different connectors) to have a solid ignition for just over 100$.

    Keep up with the updates! I'm excited to see a KL-scort project in the making, definitely not your average escort motor swap.
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    I was actually planning to save up a bit and buy a Megasquirt unit and convert it to distributorless. Also I'm sorry to disappoint you but I've decided to get an MX3 to put the KL in, though that doesn't mean I might not swap whatever's in the MX3(hopefully a K8) into the Escort later on.
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    Don't even bother with the K8, same work as a KL with less reward. Go with a BP, it makes 3 less HP than the K8 but is far easier to swap in and has a ton of aftermarket support. Besides, you would still need all the MX3 wiring to put a K8 in an Escort.
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    I'd only do the K8 if the car just happened to have it. I agree it'd be more hassle than it's really worth, but to me so would selling a perfectly good(assuming it is perfectly good) engine to buy another one for a swap that's not really any easier. Since pretty much everything on my car is original from '94, I'd feel the need to replace pretty much everything regardless of what engine I put in. Anywho, knowing my luck the MX3 I'm going to look at will be an RS anyway, as the ad never specified and had no pics. Though honestly seeing as I'm shooting more for fuel economy with the Escort now, maybe a B6 would be a decent swap?
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    ...Depends on which revision B6 you are going with. Wikipedia mentions that the 92-93 MX-3 came with the B6-ME which allegedly nets the same power yet less torque than the 1.9 CVH. The B6D from 94 forward is rated at 106HP, but i don't have torque numbers on it. If you're looking to go with a mazda 4-banger, i'd agree with matt about the BP, which should be obtainable from several BG platform cars in the 90's. Another option would be a 2.0L SPI/CVH from a 3G escort or a Zetec from the ZX2. The SPI pumps 110/125 and the Zetec is 130/125. Both should give good fuel mileage with a little tuning of the EEC.
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    +1 Nezwick is getting around 40 MPG with his SPI swap though I have heard that the 1.9 can get similar numbers.
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    yeah I think for a daily driver, the 1.9 or SPI would probably be the best idea. Though if I go that route I'll pull one out of a junkyard and rebuild it so I can keep driving my escort until time to swap.

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