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I sent this letter in for two reasons...first I am tired of the compact market being largely ignored by Ford...and second...just to see if it will get published...yes I am vain...lol

here it is

Dear SCC,

I have been very loyal to the Ford product line although they have not really been loyal to the sport compact market. I really thought things had changed with the Focus and Focus SVT, I was wrong. It all starts with the introduction of the Ford Escort in the early eighties. At that time it resembled the European model. During this time the European line developed a Cabrio model that was a nice fun car to have. As they did not release it here in the states, VW pretty much ruled the market for that segment until the Miata came out. Also, still in the eighties, a well developed turbo 1.6l Escort was driving in Europe. The next opportunity a lot of people complain about is not getting the Cosworth model Escort that became available to the European market in 94 or so. This is not a big argument for me as the Cosworth was a very different car than the American Market Escort. However, Ford did decide to offer the same body model of the American 91-96 Escort in Australia as both turbo and AWD in the Laser TX3. Then when Ford came out with the Focus and Focus SVT, I thought maybe they are finally paying attention to the people at home. I was wrong again as Ford offered, to the European market, the Focus RS with turbo and now with AWD. Further when I picked up a car magazine today and find the enclosed picture and writing. A Focus Cabrio that is in development and scheduled to be released in the European Market in mid 05, but not expected to be sold here in America. I say that Ford needs to wake up and really look at what is going on here in America. They have sacrificed so many things to, in my opinion, save the Mustang. As it seems to me, any car in their line that may sell instead of the Mustang will be sacrificed, whether it is the Probe GT (which in the later edition was fun), the Mercury Cougar or the various models of Escorts and Foci that could have been available to us here. I love my 93 Escort GT, but if I had it all to do over again, I would have bought something else, in the vain thought that they care about a single automotive sale.

Thanks for reading my rant.

Michael Odom

SGT, US ARMY



that is the image I sent with it
 

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the focus cabrio needs to be burned with the rest of all automotive atrocities.

that was a well-written letter, and had many good facts.

but my question is, what is the point of the letter? is it asking ford to basically scrap what they've been working on with the focus lineup and bring back something better that can finally be available to us in the U.S., instead of just europe or australia?

i liked the letter, just don't close it with "thanks for reading my rant."

but if the focus cabrio were to be released in the U.S., ill be looking forward to it like i'll be looking forward to having a colonoscopy. just like when the pt cruiser went cabrio - just another ugly p.o.s. on the road made to be more of an eyesore.
 

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well the purpose of the letter is to vent somewhere in writing...just to ease my mind soem...as with all cars no car will suit everyone...I like that cabrio even if it does smack of the Volvo lines...which incidently is owned by Ford also...the biggest problem I have seen witht he design is that Ford went away from the more angular style...but I am not saying that Ford should scrap the Focus line...just give us the options that they we deserve...they are an American based company and being that I do not feel we should be shortchanged by them...it's not the same as not getting a Nissan Skyline marketed here...
 

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Well written letter Mike. I can't believe you actually wrote it, but you did say you were when you showed me the article the first time. I think Ford should give the American sport compact fans a choice. They eliminated the Escort all together and replaced it with the Focus. That's fine and dandy, but like Mike said, it's still the same ole' crap in driveway. I want some power from a engine that doesn't require an extra two or four cylinders. The only way we can get a powered up American four banger is to do our own modifications, which not all of us can...like me. :lol: I think what's good for Europe is good for North America. If you don't like the car, then don't buy it. Ford needs to listen up b/c I'm sure Mike isn't the only one out there "ranting" about this. :wink:
 

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I think the biggest mistake they did was kill the Escort. The Focus is a butt ugly car with no style.

Ford is number two in the world. They must be doing something right.

I really think Ford could have done something better with the Escort.

We also are forgetting something, very few people would pay the price Ford would have to sell a Focus with a turbo, AWD, or Convertable. After all, it is "Just" a FORD Focus. That is typical attitude people have.

Ask yourself. if Ford did make a convertable Focus here in the states. Would you be willing to buy one? Before you answer that, would you be willing to pay $22,000 for one? Would you be able to afford it? It is easy to sit there and say "Yes i would!". But honestly, why buy a Focus Convert for 22,000 when you add a few more bucks and you can have a Mustang Convert. or even better yet, a Miata.

A little food for thought.


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Why would someone pay 22k plus for a Mustang? Because it's a Mustang. For what other cars are selling today, 22k for a convertible Focus w/ power under the hood isn't bad. Why do people pay import fees plus the 15k to 20k for a 90's Cosworth Escort? B/c they want the car and that's the only way to get one here in the states. A Miata doesn't sell cheap either and they are cramped compared to a Focus or Mustang. Ford will never know how the Cabrio Focus will do in the states unless they actually allow the sale in the states. I'm not a fan of Focus, would rather have an Escort, but since the Escorts are not coming off the factory line anymore, I wouldn't mind having that Cabrio. Not everybody wants a European Ford, but it wouldn't hurt for Ford to put them on the market here in the U.S. No wonder Honda's are on the road so much, Ford doesn't have much in the four cylinder class to compete.
 

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I think the biggest mistake they did was kill the Escort. The Focus is a butt ugly car with no style.

Ford is number two in the world. They must be doing something right.

I really think Ford could have done something better with the Escort.

We also are forgetting something, very few people would pay the price Ford would have to sell a Focus with a turbo, AWD, or Convertable. After all, it is "Just" a FORD Focus. That is typical attitude people have.

Ask yourself. if Ford did make a convertable Focus here in the states. Would you be willing to buy one? Before you answer that, would you be willing to pay $22,000 for one? Would you be able to afford it? It is easy to sit there and say "Yes i would!". But honestly, why buy a Focus Convert for 22,000 when you add a few more bucks and you can have a Mustang Convert. or even better yet, a Miata.

A little food for thought.

Tom
keep in mind that I am stating opinion and am not taking offense to anything written and none is intended

let me take this point by point with my opinions....

ok, I agree that Ford should not have killed the Escort, however they did need a major restyling to get people's atention.

The Focus is not for everyone, no one car is, so styling issues are up to the individual...but I will say that with the small differences I saw on the European models while living there are wheat made the Focus a better looking car to me...

Ford may be number 2 in the world that is fine...but IMO tey could be better if they broadened their range to attrasct the buyers that are buying elsewhere...for example WRX, EVO, RSX type-S, SE-R Spec-V, Golf R32 and such

as stated above, yes they could have done something better with the Escort and had chances to do so with previous models sold elswhere in the world

the phrase will always be "just" an Escort or "just" a Focus, until Ford does something to change it...Mitsubishi did that with the Lancer...sure "just" a Lancer...but not 'just" a Lancer EVO...

why $22,000? if VW Beetle(base model) vert can base at $20,000, why would Ford not be able to? A v-6 Mustang vert bases at $24,000 and a Focus bases at $13,000, even if you consider that most vert models cost between $3000 to $5000 more than the same hard top, at $5000 adjustment that would still base the Focus at $18,000 and the SVT that I priced locally at $18,000 would come to around $23,000....I would def be interested in buying one for myself, esp with SVT trim...that would be a great ride and I do have the financial means to make it happen, I know not everyone here would eb in that position, but I am writing my opinions also after driving a new Miata I was not that impressed, it handled well, but was not all I thought it was cracked up to be for the price....and it's base model starts at $22,500.....and that is not even the Mazdaspeed version...

I hope I have covered everything...well actually I am sure I will not cover every angle, but unless the Ford people wake up, we are stuck with second rate compacts from them...adn as I said in my letter, I do nto expect them to listen or even care...adn I am intending to send this letter in to Ford directly...and it will have to be via snail mail as they do not post and e-mail address on their site that would go to anyone even halfway beyond the sales area
 

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What I am getting at is this.

See what prices certain cars are getting as they are today. A Focus model loaded with everything will MSRP for $18,000. Add a few grand for a convertable roof and now you are at $20,000. (You need to keep a few g's in mind because verts are not cheap to build) Add a Turbo or AWD option and the Focus is more money then most people would want to even think of spending on a Ford.

Vehicles like the WRX, EVO, etc. are not big sellers. They are not gigantic money makers we think they are. They sell limited numbers. Many times, those cars are used to get people in the dealer to buy a Legacy, or Diamante.

Yes, I agree, Ford could and should make something to compete with those cars. Everyone agree Ford should have made the Mustang with a 351 when the Camaro had a 350. Ford was so behind on the times. They lacked power and was the laughing stock of that era. We know today, the Mustang lives while the Camaro is dead.

Subaru, Mitsubishi, and VW are not selling vehicles like Ford, Honda, GM, or Toyota.

Look at Honda and the Civic. They do not offer a Turbo or Convertable Civic. They are still to undesputed kings if the SCC Scene.

I am not saying you dont have the right to voice your opinion. I agree with you, I am just trying to throw some logic in the mix.


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I understand where you are coming from...and I was no thinking that you felt anything negative about my right to my opinion...

ok, but comparing that you get a focus cabrio, then fully loading it up and adding turbo and awd then say that for a couple of grand more you can afford a base model Mustang or something like that...I also know that the WRXs and the like are not big sellers...but also their production numbers are lower as you get the STi adn the EVO...but that adds some of their appeal that you will not see many on the roads...which is something I like...after all a Mustang Cobra R is not a big seller at $50,000....but they are very limited which means they still sell....as for Honda not selling a convertible civic that is fine...but they do offer stronger better models in their home market which is something that Ford does not do...which is the mean of the letter, after all most car companies sell their stronger lines in their home country...take a Neon SRT-4 for Dodge, Saturn Ion Redline and I hear that the new Cobalt platform for GM will have the same package asthe Saturn after it's debut..but most likely not right away..Honda offers a few type-R's in thier home market, Nissan with the GTR's, Mazda with the GTR's that fall under their name, Toyota has srtong Supra and Soarers, Mitsu offered the EVO years in Japan before here, same with Subaru, BMW offers high power and style in Germany that is not always offeres here, Audi has the S3 which is not avail here yet, VW has had several in the small car market over there, Mercedes has offered many also and there are other brands but the main point is that it seems as though most companies provide some of their best cars to their home market when Ford specifially denies us here at home on a regular basis

I see you logic, but mine is not without logic either...
 

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ok... now you're going to hear my shit...... i am 6'2", and i have really long legs. guess what.... i can't fit in a miata, i cant fit in a mustang. i can't fit in most sports cars, and the only trucks i can fit in have to be extended cab. i've sat in most sport compact cars, and mustangs and everything, and can't get my knees out of the dash. the only cars that give me room, are guess what..... escorts and foci. now, i haven't sat in a neon or a cavalier yet, but i'm sure it's the same story. there's alot of taller guys than me, and there's alot of big guys. and you know why they all buy these compact cars? (foci, escorts and such) because they're the only affordable cars they can fit into. and for those that don't necessarily want to spend a ton of money for a taurus SHO or a V6 mazda6 or something, i'm sure they wouldn't mind paying $22k for a powerful/fast/sporty compact car they could fit into

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Referring to the situation of the escorts death. I think the re-design was in order as well. However, what the 3rd gen sedans ended up looking like were hideous. I did actully like the 2003 Zx2's. They looked kind of nice.
 

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Actually I was starting to like the 2003 ZX2's also. The Escort Design of 1997 and on was ugle. Ford was still thinking the "Oval Fever" motto when it was designed. Unfortunatly, the sales proved that the new look was not cutting the mustard.


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i agree wholeheartedly on how ford is depriving us on our choices of a sport-compact vehicle, or lack thereof.

for $22k i'd much rather spend my cash on something significantly better than a focus. regardless of the option to have the svt trim package, which makes any ford look sexy as hell with it. but the focus is awkward. i've driven a few on several occasions; the steering was stiff, but handled well, the controls (heat, radio, etc..) i found confusing, it had relatively good accelleration except when i needed it on the highway, the radio and sound system was adequate but would definitely replace every speaker & head unit there was if i bought one.

there are way too many other better cars to choose from.
the neon is not a choice i would make, but they have become even more popular recently with newer colors and the srt. also with the cavy because they can now come with an oem body kit to make the car look like you took it to toretto's garage or to west coast customs to have a nice piece of domestic rice to ride in.

my choice would be something foreign. either something from nissan; their new altimas are looking rather nice. or the ever-popular suby vote. and if you buy a subaru, it has most definitely got to be a wrx, there is no substitute.

but since ford has limited my options as a consumer, in consideration to the death of the escort/zx2 line. i've actually been straying away from the ford product line.
before, i had plans of buying a brand new zx2 for my first brand new car. but that has all changed. i've taken a shine to what the other car companies have to offer.
perfect example: for a winter car, i purchased a chevy S-10. get that, a die-hard ford driver bought a forbidden gm vehicle.

ford needs to do something better than a damn convertablized focus. c'mon, where's the imagination??? they should bring the escort back from the dead, new body style, newer & faster engine, the works, and even an optional svt package. i think it's about time ford paid homage to the car that single-handedly saved ford motor company over two decades ago... the world car, the ford escort.
 

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for $22k i'd much rather spend my cash on something significantly better than a focus.
Finally.

For 22K, you could get yourself a subaru legacy.

Here's the difference between ford and a manufacturer like subaru. Ford takes the same rehashed crappy car everybody else has, and throws in a different engine. Subaru doesn't need this because the base model doesn't suck.

Test drive a *suped-up special edition* 22K dollar ford. Then go test drive a legacy. The Subaru has better road feel, handling characteristics, build quality... everything's nicer.

That's why ford doesn't make high end SCC. They're a cheap company, and it's just economics. People say "why buy an upgraded ford when I can get a base model something-else that doesn't suck like a ford always does."
 

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it isn't so much that Ford is a cheap company. Ford builds mass quantities of vehicles, where Subaru builds handfulls compared to Ford. Subaru is small compared to Honda and Toyota. None of those companies build cars as different as Subaru does.

Mazda should be the one with an AWD vehicle like Subaru and Mitsubishi does.

Test drive a Mazda3 or Mazda6. The feel is much better then a Ford. Remember, the Mazda3 is based off the European Focus. Mazda had the 323 GTX in the states long before Subaru and Mitsubishi had comparable cars here. Mazda was ahead of thier time in regards to those cars.

Maybe if Mazda did a Mazda3 in turbo and AWD, Subaru and Mitsubishi would have some real competition.


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in truth, Mazda has been ahead of their ime with many cars.....I would still buy an MX-3 v-6...although I would swap out the little 1.8l for the KLZE....but hey they had their minds into compact performance long before most other companies
 
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