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Jack stands save lives!!!

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  1. Godvain-ps3

    Godvain-ps3 FEOA Member

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    This is just a reminder to everybody. Jack stands are cheap and extremely helpful! I had to find a jack and get a car off the neighbors grandson today. All because he was working on his car without jack stands! People this isn't a game. A few years back a we'll know guy around here big in the import scene had his car drop on him and he died. This guy was lucky it only crushed his leg and didn't get his femour broke. But he was under the car for about 20-30 minutes screaming for help before I happened to hear him. I'm telling you suck it up and pay the 24$ for a set. Sisscor jacks can roll easily it don't take much. So for the love of God use jack stands!!!
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    denisond3 Moderator Staff Member

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    Amen to that! I work mostly on gravel, grass or dirt. Instead of jackstands I have a nice supply of heavy lumber chunks; 8" x 8"'s about 2 ' long, 6" x6"'s, 4" x4"'s and 2 by 8's about 18" long. I make pyramids of them to support each side, about where the engine subframe corners are. To get the car up I use either scissor jacks (from an SUV, not the ones from my Escorts, or hydraulic bottle jacks.

    Glad to hear he wasnt a goner.
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    Godvain-ps3 FEOA Member

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    I agree with you! I even use 8" concrete blocks if I don't have anything. It's safer than working under a car supported by on a Sisscor jack. That and the fact we've had allot of rain lately making the ground soft. It was a error in judgement on his behalf. But could of happened to anyone that was in a hurry. He said he was trying to save money and time. Normally he uses a car lift and just didn't want to go all the way out there.
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    millball FEOA Donator

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    Concrete blocks are unsafe too. Especially any type that are hollow core.

    Jackstands and/or wood cribbing are the real deal.
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    Yeah I need two more jack stands. I have two but sometimes I want all four corners up.

    I'll use a jack by itself but only if I'm not getting under. Doing brakes for example.
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    I mean if your a shade tree mechanic who doesn't have the money to go by jack stands or anything and you have to work on your car right then and there. At least if nothing else use blocks I used to use blocks all the time, while there not safe its allot safer than using nothing but a scissor jack is all I mean. and IF you drop it down on the blocks and use a piece of wood, That's how i did it at least, its better then nothing. I personally don't like using anything but jack stands but that's me I work on concrete an not in the grass. If your in the grass I do like the wood cribbing idea but I've never used it. Closest to grass I've worked in is packed gravel and dirt. This guy was in plan yard grass with a scissor lift jack on a I beam turned sideways.
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    All he was doing was tightening up some bolts to help his axle hold better... i have no idea what bolts he was talking about somewhere around the struts is where he was working tho. But the thing is he decided to sit under the car while doing it. we have had allot of rain around here lately and it was ultimately just a bad decision on his behalf. I have a 2yr old son and since he was born I constantly rethink and second guess myself... Is this safe, could something happen to me, yada yada ya. All it takes is that one second man he could be with out his daddy and i never had a dad growing up so i constantly try not to do stupid things ya know. But I am guilty of being in a rush like this guy sometimes as well. i just wanted to remind everyone that the one second of time it takes to support the vehicle can cost you your life if we over little things like this. But like i said there was a well know guy around here few years back made the same mistake and it killed him. Dont ever want any thing bad to happen to ppl its not only them that suffer but there family and friends also.
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    I have drive on ramps and jack stands. I use the ramps when working underneath if the wheels don't have to come off . Great for oil changes or transmission fluid filter changes, gives me plenty of work room. If I have the wheels off and work underneath I use the jack stands.

    Glad to hear he's going to be OK, but be sure to remind him this could have easily been fatal and to ALWAYS take all necessary precautions before going underneath a car.
    Last edited: Apr 25, 2015
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    Yea I made sure to tell him I have jackstands and that he was more than welcome to use them at anytime of day! All he had to do is jump the fence and knock on the door. I really like the ramps myself. My brother has a set he uses all the time. There handy! That's the next thing I plan on getting a set next chance I get.
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    If I need to use cement blocks, I put a slab of wood below them, and a plank at least 2" thick by 8" wide on top of them, to avoid point loads on the concrete.
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    Also need to block at least one wheel from rolling.
    There have been many times when I've moved the car a little just trying torque something loose.

    In addition to the jack stands and jack, my brother would place the wheels underneath the car also. I do the same. We also leave the jack in place unless it has to be removed to complete the work.

    I've never heard of anyone trying to get underneath a vehicle with only a scissor jack supporting it.

    Placement for the 'scorts... (front)
    https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=0C43F28D3024191B&id=c43f28d3024191b!376&v=3
    https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=0C43F28D3024191B&id=c43f28d3024191b!756&v=3

    Do *NOT* support the vehicle using the frame rails, most visible on the left side of this picture...
    https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=0C43F28D3024191B&id=c43f28d3024191b!382&v=3
    ...they will crush.

    Rear placement is the rather obvious frame piece between the wheels.
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    My ways not much better but what I do is turn them like you would laying block. Hollow side points up. Then block of wood like denisond3 said. Yea you have a smart brother. Mine taught me that to but I've kind of steered away from that. I need to get back in that habit again. Glad you said something about that! That's another good point for the backyard workers to remember you can turn the wheel upside down and have it as fall protection! It's better to buy a new rim the pay an ER bill! Plus chances of it hurting the rim is very minimal if I had to guess.
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    I dunno, man. I've got damned good insurance. Depends what kind of rim.

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    It might depend on the ER too. We took a kid (who had gotten her finger mashed in a car door) into a Red Cross ER in Tijuana on a saturday evening years ago. !!!!!
    Grim.
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    I only got to walk in clinics. It's faster and most of them know me by now lol I studied martial arts for a while till I decided I didn't want to be at the gym everyday I was off. That and the ocassional mishap with sharp objects... Luckily the bone in my face stopped the machete! But it would have to be the rim if I'm choosing lol I had knee surgery anything that can restrict my ability to walk again is not a option for me lol I'll put the 13's back on if needs be.
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    I too use tires and rims that have been removed for fall protection whenever I think of it. I didn't start doing that all those years ago when I first started working on my cars, therefore I often don't think of it, old habits are hard to break.
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    I don't recall ever using a wheel/rim. I definitely won't use one that I plan to put back on the vehicle.
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    The talk is of throwing the wheels under the car to use as a safety backup if the primary supports should fail. Better the car should come down onto the tire and rim than to smash you flat. I always throw any wheels I have off under the car.
    No damage to the wheel unless your main support gives way.
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    Yeah I know but I wouldn't get under a car if I thought I needed a rim to be my backup plan.

    I only use jack stands or ramps though, and my jack stands lock.

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