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Alright everyone.. get on Kazaa (or Kazaa Lite) and start downloading Getaway in Stockholm2.mpg (266mb). It´s about 15 minutes of continuous high speed driving from the front bumper of a 450hp Ford Escort Cosworth in Stolkholm, Sweden, while accompanied by a Toyota Supra. Then there is about 8 more minutes footage of a 4 door Escort killing the 400m and a few shots of the exterior of the red Cosworth from the first part of the film. :-] :-] :-] Please excuse this if you´ve already seen the film.
 

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i already got it mang :) damn good video. the Supra smokes the Cossie on the strait-aways but owns his ass on the corners.
 

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A rear drive Supra owns the AWD Cossie on the straight aways but the Cossie kills the supra in the corners? shouldn´t that be the other way around?!? :-? I need to see this video. Save this for next Friday when I get my cable modem :-]
 

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ok i shall re-phrase it:

the Supra kicks the Cossies ass on the strat-aways. the Cossie owns the Supra in the corners...that better James?

btw James..i can burn u a copy if u want
 

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Nah.. a properly setup AWD car like the cossie can apply more power and apply it earlier in a turn than a RWD car can simply because the torque is spread out to more wheels. A high power turbocharged car like the supra requires a very skilled driver to corner at the limit while pouring on the throttle.. lag makes it even harder. I believe the gearing in the supra is higher than the cossie´s (in this film at least), which explains why the Supra is able to pull away while the cossie is maxed out.

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{oops, obviously I read that all wrong}

[ This message was edited by: Beaverboy on 23-02-2003 17:13 ]
 

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AWD is good for one thing...Rallying! yeah. Cornering in an AWD Car is never easy..like front wheel drive it has lots of understeer, unless you have 65% or more of the torque goin to the rear wheels. Obviously then the guy knew how to drive his Cossworth if he´s taking Supra´s in corners. Yeah if you want you can burn me a copy of it, Brian. ;-)
 

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::clears throat::

ONE MORE TIME FOR YOU ALL!!

-Supra kicks the Cossies ass ON THE STRAIGHT-AWAYS!!
-the Cossie kicks the Supras ass IN THE CORNERS!!

geezus where u all learn to read? off of a box of Rice Krispies or something?? LMMFAO
 

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Yeah, dumbass, thats the way I read it and understood it. :-] Usually AWD cars are not good in cornering, because of the extra two tires with torque going to them, in other words, the extra contact patch present on straight aways will usually help to murder Rear or Front wheel drive cars. But rear Drive cars are good on corners, if the driver knows how to control his/her car to keep just the right amount of oversteer present to get around the corner.
 

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23-02-2003 at 17:50, egtdude wrote:
eh? AWD is great for cornering. its especially easy to get out of trouble if you get into it.
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I still beg to differ. If you look at the skippad numbers on a WRX it´s at .89 g´s while any rear drive car, like a Viper or a Supra will be in the upper .9xs, maybe in the 1.0 range. The MOST I´ve ever seen an AWD car get is a modified Cobb Tuning WRX (with 10 inch wide slicks...that´s right 10 inches...wide. They were 285/35ZR-18s on the rear) was 1.02 g´s. The R33 Skyline pulled a .98g but that was also modified as well.
 

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Excuse me, i must go change my pants, i just creamed myself.. that is the awesomeest thing EVER.. loved it..
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wow... i really didnt wanna hear that.... lol
 

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G load is a factor of tire grip not how many wheels have power. If the tires suck nothing else matters. then you have to take into account suspension design etc. There are a ton of veribles that effect cornering "G"s. Properly applied power whether its a 2wd or 4wd should be one of the last ones.
 

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I saw the cars when I was with my father. :-]
We had been shipping some deliveries in Stockholm that august
That was a great experience for me.
 

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23-02-2003 at 22:50, AleX wrote:
Crazy movie. I had real adrenaline rush watchin this.. rev of the engine and blowoff valve going... but never do it yourself. NEVER.
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Like they say in the movie don´t try this,
because these guys are experienced drivers.
They guy who drove the Cosworth died last year :-[
I think it was. He drove too fast that guy.
 

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26-02-2003 at 22:38, egtdude wrote:
G load is a factor of tire grip not how many wheels have power. If the tires suck nothing else matters. then you have to take into account suspension design etc. There are a ton of veribles that effect cornering "G"s. Properly applied power whether its a 2wd or 4wd should be one of the last ones.
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G load is a factor of tire grip but if you have two extra tires pushing power to the ground you´re going to start losing grip, which works in reverse from what having just a rear drive will give you...this being lots of turn in, oversteer. Rear drive has a crap load more oversteer than front and AWD.
 

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The Bridgestone RE92s that came stock on the WRX are suckey tires.. I know because I have a set of stock WRX rims and tires on my Legacy... also, the WRX isn´t known for having the best roadholding suspension in the world.. the awd and generous power and smooth ride at a cheap price make the WRX the popular car it is.

Check out the skidpad ratings for the new Lancer Evo (stock).. which has a more neutral suspension setup and more complex AWD system. I know it´s in the high .9s

Comparing my rwd BMW 320i to my awd Legacy.. the Legacy is much faster in the corners.. the 320i is more easily steered by the throttle, but the ability to lay down full power mid corner means the 320i is left in the dust. I like driving the 320i more.. it´s not about how fast you go until you´re on a racetrack anyway. Where i need to be smooth with the 320i, I need to be violent with the Legacy.. but the legacy just takes a set and pulls her way through the corner no matter how hard you throw her into one... you must caress the BMW... her limits just aren´t as high and aren´t as stable. Which reminds me.. I need to do some more work on that 320i so she can get back on the road ;-)
 

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damn that was freakin awesome. the Cossie looks so...skinny. not wide enough. I think my car looks better, but 450 hp. 11.09 1/4 mile. shit I wouldn´t be complaining. :-o
 
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