Americans are so deluded. I'm at a loss for words."...he shouldn't be hailed as a hero, he should be used as a poster boy for the dangerous consequences of too much "America is #1," frat boy, propaganda bull. It might just make a regular man irrationally drop $3.6 million to go fight in a conflict that was anything but "self-defense." The same could be said of the unusual belief of 50 percent of the American nation that thinks Saddam Hussein was behind Sept. 11. One must indeed stand in awe of the amazing success of the American propaganda machine. It works wonders."
According to the Patriot Act my ability to speak my mind is a freedom that isn't guaranteed by the military.. but by my apparent non-terrorist status. Since the Cold War (when our military was used for intimidation) our military is only used for peacekeeping or energykeeping. The Iraqi war is not a peacekeeping operation.. it is not a matter of national security. The men and women who are currently serving in Iraq are there to keep our gas prices below the $2/gallon mark for the next 5 years... not to protect our freedoms. And with the killing of so many iraqis and the amount of hardship the average iraqi has undergone, any arguments about our soldiers being there to protect them or improve their way of life is rediculous.Slapyo said:ya but the guy who wrote the article wrote it completely wrong. he gives absolutly no respect for the guy at all. if it wasn't for people like pat tillman that guy wouldn't be able to voice his opinion as freely as he does. i think that everyone that is in the armed services is a hero, whether they die or not.
WRONG.egtdude said:He showed that contrary to popular belief you can forgo the good life to stand for something you really believe in.
You want to call it revenge? fine by me! I feel bad for innocent people that got hurt/killed but I sure as hell don't feel bad for any taliban/al qaeda (sp?) that got what was coming.siragan said:WRONG.egtdude said:He showed that contrary to popular belief you can forgo the good life to stand for something you really believe in.
He fought for revenge. (probably- in all honesty I don't know)
Propaganda used revenge to get people enlisted. Sure, politicians were upset that 9/11 happened, and all the incompetent ******** can write all the sappy country songs they want about it, but at the base of that, it was a very good thing for the military. It got a bunch of pissed off people to think that we actually went over to Iraq to fight for "justice" or "freedom" or one of those other abstractions. Well, anybody with a middle school education can figure out that that just isn't the case...
If you disagree with anything I said, you are wrong.
you're missing the point entirely..... it's sacriligious to talk bad about the dead you asscoyote-x said:Just because he was in the military doesn't mean we still can't talk **** about him.
1 million Kurds who were staging violent uprisings against the Iraqi government. Take a moment to read up on who the Kurds are. They are a large demographic of Iraq that refused to be recognized as Iraqi citizens. When they rose up, Saddam lay them back down.. no different than our own Abe Lincoln... funny though.. he's one of our all-time national heroes. (before you mention the killing of women & children in Iraq by Saddam's military leaders.. I'll remind you of Sherman's little BBQ in Atlanta)egtdude said:If you don't agree with our president fine. For the record I've always been glad for the iraq war because of the Iraqi peoples suffering. Last I read 1 million people in mass graves! You say we had no right to go in there?
You know what man? I wouldn't care. You know why? I'm DEAD, that's why. I wouldn't even know. You'll notice I didn't say anything bad about him, except that I didn't really think he was a hero, anyways. That's not insulting anybody. Anything wrong with that? I said, that I have the /right/ to if I want, which I do, by law, according to the United States constitution. No disputing that, as it is a FACT. This country is not, not yet anyways, ruled by religious groups, as far as I know. At least not up front.thescortgt said:you're missing the point entirely..... it's sacriligious to talk bad about the dead you asscoyote-x said:Just because he was in the military doesn't mean we still can't talk **** about him.
i'm sure you would LOVE for somebody to talk **** about you and say that **** in front of your family
it seems you're tripping up on your own words.... because by the logic you presented, by calling him a hero, you would then be disagreeing with iraq, where you said you would be agreeing.coyote-x said:If I disagree with Iraq, and someone died in Iraq, and I called them a hero, wouldn't that mean that I thought they died for a cause which I believed was just and right, for the good of the country or whatever else? By logic, I think it would. So, by calling him a hero, I would then be agreeing with Iraq, which I don't. If he had what it takes to a be a ranger, he was probably a good man. The best our country has to offer. I'm just saying, I don't think he was a hero. Does this make sense??
i agree with you there, that is sick. and by doing such things it doesn't make THOSE soldiers any better than the german soldiers' actions in russian cities during world war IIcoyote-x said:Something I'd like to add, have you SEEN the pictures of what some of our troops have been caught doing to the prisoners over there? Sexual abuse, torture, some of the sickest things I've ever seen. Form your own opinion about what it means, but it stands there, that less than a year into this, we end up doing ths same things Saddam did.