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Ignition Cylinder Lock

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  1. devonhiee

    devonhiee FEOA Member

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    Saw several posts on this subject but never got the full answer.

    For some time now the steering wheel doesn't lock. That being said, I can use any type of key ir screwdriver to start the car. This wluldnt be a problem but I park it on the street from time to time and it was broken into last month via the 1/4 window on the passenger side.

    I wanted to know if it's possible to keep the same key and fix this symptom? Saw the cylinder lock barrels on Rockauto but it obviously comes with a new set of keys. Not sure how that would work since the doors accept the key I have now.

    Thanks.
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    denisond3 Moderator Staff Member

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    The only way to keep the same key as the doors have, would be to buy an assembly (either cylinder lock part or the entire ignition switch, and take it to a locksmith). Assuming they can alter the key 'patterns', it wont be a cheap solution. I own four 2nd gen Escorts, and only one has the ignition key still matching the door key.

    A new ignition switch will have the spring loaded rod that pushes up into a notch in the steering shaft - when the key is removed from the ign lock. That does the locking. One a couple of my Escorts, I have defeated that interlock, not being much worried about my somewhat shabby Escorts being stolen. Its easy to pry off the shiny round plate on the bottom of the ign sw assembly. Then a spring drops out, so the locking rod doesnt get pushed up into the steering shaft.

    I once tried to get the cylinder lock out of the ign switch assembly. All I managed to do was to ruin it.
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  3. devonhiee

    devonhiee FEOA Member

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    So the only viable option would be to get the barrel and key kit and just use that for ignitio and the old key for the doors?
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    denisond3 Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes I believe so. You might call a locksmith and ask what the operation would cost. They might need to see the new lock cylinder and key to know.
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    devonhiee FEOA Member

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    But if I just get the set from Rockauto, I wont need to use a locksmith, right? Or are the keys just a basic pattern that needs to be matched to the ignition via locksmith?

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    Right; if you get the set from rockauto, you wont need a locksmith. But you will be needing two different keys: One to unlock the doors/trunk. The other key to start the car.
    What the locksmith -might- be able to do, is to rearrange the sliding parts of the ignition lock cylinder, to match the door key profile.
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    Got it. Thanks again denisond!

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    These keys are double sided, so you can cut the pattern for the door on one side, and the ignition on the other. Then you only need one key. I did this for a Fairmont some years ago. I also filed two deep notches on one side of the head of the key, so I quickly learnt which way to put the key in the lock or ignition, even in the dark.

    I had to go to a real locksmith to get the key cut, since the person at the key cutting kiosk at the mall couldn't comprehend when I asked to have the cut the key this way.
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    You made me laugh, thinking of trying to explain what you wanted to the guy who cuts keys at a Kiosk.

    While I like the idea very much, I can imagine trying to explain about a dual purpose key to my wife, and the confusion it might cause her if she forgot about it while out running errands: And couldnt get the car to start in some distant parking lot.
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    Interesting Joey. I did not know this. How would I know which side of the key is for the door and which for the ignition? Do I have just bring the ignition lock barrel before installation and the door lock barrel to the locksmith?

    There is a locksmith that I go to to cut BMW keys for me so Id think he would be qualified?
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    denisond3 Moderator Staff Member

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    I think you would just need your old key (for the door side of the new dual purpose )key, and the key that comes with a new lock cylinder (for the "ignition' side of the dual purpose key).
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    Forgive me if this sounds stupid, but how would the locksmith know which side on which key is for the ignition and which for the door?

    Upon inspection of my key, both sides are the exact same shape.
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    Right, it doesn't matter which side is the door lock and which is the ignition lock. I just filed the notches after so I would know which one was which. After a few uses I learnt and remembered which way the notches should be for opening the door.
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    Ah stupid me. I see what you mean. Ask the locksmith to cut one side of A new key with the old and one side with the one from the kit.

    Thanks guys! This has got to be the best car related forum!
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    I decided to bump this older thread and give a shout out to @Joey_Twowagons for his most excellent idea that I read and filed away in a corner of my memory. It came into use the other day, as I took white wagon #2 out of mothballs. This particular Escort has had the ignition lock cylinder replaced by a previous owner. This would normally require two different keys on our already fat key rings.

    Instead, I took the best samples of each key to a locksmith and explained Joey_'s idea. He willingly did what I asked, and I now have a number of these hybrid keys to distribute among interested family members and the key vault in the closet. (In this case "hybrid" means "cut differently on each side", and not "fits a Toyota Pious"). I drilled a hole in the head of each key - hole goes DOWN when opening the car door and TOWARDS THE DRIVER when starting the car.

    From my fat key ring (clockwise from upper left):

    2 notches = white wagon #5 (the commuter car)
    1 notch = white wagon #3 (youngest daughter)
    red = red wagon
    [faded/worn off] blue = blue five door
    drilled hole = hybrid key for white wagon #2

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