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how to smoke a mustang for 0$ in 7 steps.

1. remove a/c, spair tire
2. cut as much useless steel away as possible (stay safe)
3. remove air intake silencer (aka the trash celection box below filter)
3.5 cut hole in steel where the silencer was,cut toward front of car (allows cooler air to new intake entrenace).
4. (optional) remove stereo, speakers, door panels.
5. (optional) disassemble seats and remove as much steel as possible and take the sliding unit out and weld your own brackets.
6. (usually overlooked) if you replace it cost around $30, but if you remove its free) replace trunk with a home made fiberglass one that is held down with hood pins, or for the free way (kinda a pain) un bolt the 4 10mm bolts (iv figured just leave it at the start line.
7. cut about 2" of your exhaust behind (toward the engine) the muffler and leave you muffler sepperated from the exhaust with that 2" space suprizeingly it still muffles a littel and it looks legal (you will still pass emisions (depending on were you live, some states/large cites check that stuff)) ;)
8. (has cost) replace hood with lexan make shure you keep the lexan at least 6" away from top of engine (you will have to shape the lexan) (dont worry you can paint it)
9. (has cost) replace all glass with lexan (check for local legal info)

you should reduce the weight by 300-375 lbs and get 20-35 hp (mostly from ac removal) on the escort that would be going from 2468lbs to 2168-2093lbs ,lighter than a 2005 toyota mr2, and from 110hp to 130-145hp more powerfull than that 2005 toyota mr2.

the results will vary but you should take a 0-60 time from 10 secs to 7-7.75 secs, 1/4 mile from 18 seconds to 15-16 thats one high performance car ;)
 

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keep in mind that. first.. the a/c only takes power from the engine when its ON. when its off the pulley free spins. ford designed the WOT ac cutoff system to shut the ac off under WOT anyway. so by removing your ac you just made it harder to defrost your windows, and cool in the summer. nothing more.
 

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To be accurate... the A/C system will cause SOME power loss when it's off because that free-spinning pully still has SOME friction and the extra length of belt has mass to it too. So you might free up 1 or 2 hp with it off.
But yes, the whole weight of the system is a lot. Make sure you get the compressor, the condensor, the evaporator and all the hoses though. If you're gonna do it, do it ALL.
 

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marclar said:
keep in mind that. first.. the a/c only takes power from the engine when its ON. when its off the pulley free spins. ford designed the WOT ac cutoff system to shut the ac off under WOT anyway. so by removing your ac you just made it harder to defrost your windows, and cool in the summer. nothing more.
Well that's not at all what iv experienced in the escort but the a/c still does draw power if its off, though not as much (any time a pulley is added it adds friction even the tentioner draws power though it may only be 2-3hp)(its kinda funny you say that cuz the pros remove the a/c on all there cars, cuz no matter what the manufacture does it will still draw power, and add weight.) the main reason to remove the a/c is so that if later on you have the extra $300 you could add that Pontiac super charger that is installed at the old a/c compressor position. FYI the blower will still work so you should have heat, well unless the idiots made the a/c create extra heat, I don't think there that stupid. The heat is usually pulled from the heat exchanger / radiator so it should work.
Greg97EscortLX said:
True, the AC system only draws power while being run.....but it does entail weight reduction

100 lbs removed = .1 sec 1/4 time
We are not consternating on just weight. The main idea here is to improve the weight to hp, and weight to torque ratios, the results are more affected by that factor than any other. for example the escort starts at a moderate 22.5lbs / 1hp after all modifications above you end up with a range of 14.5 / 1 - 16.5 / 1 ratio. A difference of 45%. (btw im not going with power to weight ratio cuz weight to power is easyer to understand and compare)

great software for accurate 1/4 mile, hp, torque, ect...\/
http://www.virtualengine2000.com/ProgramDownload.htm

0-60 time calculator web site
http://www.gldomain.com/accelerationcalc/

and you think im kiding about smokin a mustang use the engine calculator, a stock mustang is 3300lbs and 210 hp, 1/4 mile time 15.3 at 87.8 the results for a escort after the mods are 2093lbs and 145hp, 14.9 1/4 mile at 90.3mph (mustang will beat you 0-60 by about 1/4 second. :wink: shrue you can free up exhaust 5-10 hp, air silencer 5-8 hp, high flow filter, cooler air 3-4 hp(1hp per 10' been proven), a/c removel at least 5hp, thats 27, and some tuning easly get 35hp. that super charger would add even more like another 35.
oh one more thing add a switch/relay to your eletric fan and altinator alot more gains there
 

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therieldeal said:
you will not gain 20-35 hp from removing your ac, cutting your muffler off, and removing the silencer from the airbox. rofl maybe in some pipe dream you had, but not in real life.
what do you mean? are you seriouse or are you just trying to be a pain. dont you realize that when you do somthing to your car to add performance that your results will depend on the proformance enhancers that you did before. (ex: muffler 5-8hp by itsself but if you add CAI 4-5 hp, the exhaust hp gains grow to 6-10. they have proven that just watch speed channel. you gotta be creative to get a car to go fast. btw im not maken this stuff up, search the internet on the drag racing forums they are dedicated to sitting around thinking of ways to go faster quicker for as littel money as possible. its sad that people dont even research before they make conclutions. if you going to lol at anyone better back it up alright bro.
 

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i'm sorry, i dont know anything about enhancing the performance of escorts, or cars in general. i will now bow to you, oh master of all ricers.

i removed the AC from my car to get it out of the way because it no longer worked anyway. there was no noticeable change in the power output of the car. why? because it makes no real difference.

you can go ahead and think all you want, but until you post a dyno chart of your stock car, and then your car with a hacked off muffler, cold air intake, ac removed, etc... no one will believe you because its not true. and you will find that you are sadly mistaken if you actually do dyno your car, as you will find that you have gained MAYBE 5 horsepower after doing all that.

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by the way i raced my friends mazda protege which is essentially identical to my car. mine is 100% stock aside from the ac being removed. he has a header, 2 1/4" catback, free flow muffler, gutted cat, cone filter, rx7 airmeter, etc......... i launched poorly because my engine mounts are all torn but i hung on his back bumper all the way to ~80mph when we both let off.

now with your reasoning he should have had like 20 horsepower on me, and he should have smoked me, right? so what happened?
 

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his 1/4 mile 15.9 at 84.7mph yours 16.25 at 82.8mph

1/8 mile his 10.1 at 67.8 yours 10.4 at 66mph

so it turned out correct, by the numbers your giving and your car being lighter cuz of the a/c removle
 

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he doesnt have AC either.

he also has a header and exhaust and all that other stuff i listed, i thought that was supposed to add up to all kinds of extra horsepower?
to the mind the more hp the faster but weight has just as much to do with it and your 1.8l escort gt has 125hp stock. and on top of that 100 lbs lighter than a 3rd gen considering were in a 3rd gen forum section i figured you had one......... your new time in your 95gt 1/4 mile is 15.6 at 86 mph his new time sence the hp change on yours is 15.3 at 87 mph. im still not gettin your point he beat you like he should have...... 1car leingth, i guarente you should see results like this.

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his 1/4 mile 15.9 at 84.7mph yours 16.25 at 82.8mph

1/8 mile his 10.1 at 67.8 yours 10.4 at 66mph

so it turned out correct, by the numbers your giving and your car being lighter cuz of the a/c removle
I love how you are sitting there typing numbers into your program and believe the results word for word. You keep pushing the "lighter cuz of a/c removal" comment. There could be enough of a difference in the weight of the driver alone to regain the weight lost from a/c removal.

You need to wake up and realize the numbers your program is spitting out are just rough estimates and by no means necessarily accurate.
 

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james-mods said:
therieldeal said:
he doesnt have AC either.

he also has a header and exhaust and all that other stuff i listed, i thought that was supposed to add up to all kinds of extra horsepower?
to the mind the more hp the faster but weight has just as much to do with it and your 1.8l escort gt has 125hp stock. and on top of that 100 lbs lighter than a 3rd gen considering were in a 3rd gen forum section i figured you had one......... your new time in your 95gt 1/4 mile is 15.6 at 86 mph his new time sence the hp change on yours is 15.3 at 87 mph. im still not gettin your point he beat you like he should have...... 1car leingth, i guarente you should see results like this.

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correction mofo, the escort gt makes 127hp. lemme see some dyno charts after a video of them removing all this stuff.and a video of them puttin the car on the dyno, then running it
 
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