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I have a 94 LX I've been working on and I want to swap out the 1.9 SEFI for the 1.8 GT engine from the same year. Is it pretty much the same mounting? Would it be better to swap out for the 2.0 from a later year? The 1.8 has 127hp and the 2.0 only has 110hp and I want to squeeze as many ponies as I can out of the car. I live out in the sticks so its not for straightline racing, its for twisty turny back roads and dirt roads.
 

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The real question is: "How hard is it to search for another post on this subject?" Not that people dont want to help out here. Just try to search around there are many people that have asked that very question. And many people who have done the SPI (2.0) swap.

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Re: horsepower

rallyscort said:
But can I get the same amount of HP out of the 2.0 that is possible with the 1.8?
:? :?
Uh...that question tells me that you need to do A LOT more research before you start even THINKING about a swap in the first place.

The 2.0 already makes more hp, and more tq than the 1.8.
 

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hmmmm i was under the impression the 2.0 has 110hp.... maybe your thinking of the 2.0 zx2 engine and not say, a 97 escort?
:oops: You're right. I was thinking of the latter 2.0 SPIs. (which if I'm not mistaken make 125 hp?)

It only makes 110 but what's 17 hp? Nothing really.

Still, it seems to me he needs to do more research though. Say, measure engine bay, look at the engine and tranny mounts, figure out what cables will swap, and which ones won't, will he need the drive axles...etc etc

People just seem to want to come here and ask "can I do this?" without figuring things out themselves.
 

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I figured since you all know why not ask. Sorry I didn't look for someone else's post. If the question irked you that much why bother answering? I'm not real mechanically inclined, I decide what to do and my brother inlaw does most of the work. It was his Idea to do the engine swap for the 1.8. He hasn't worked on too many scorts so he told me to go on the net and see what I could find. We did all the measuring and are currently looking for a 1.8 to look at in an area junkyard to see what needs to be done. I saw a post about the 2.0 and was just wonder the pros and cons of each.
 

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You didn't irk me or probably anyone. I am just telling you that most of your questions have an answer somewhere on this board. And some of the big ones:
What do I need to turbo this...
What engines fit in my Escort?
What size tires do I need for...

All I am saying is you can get a lot of info by looking around. That way you dont need to wait on people to get back to you. The info is already there.

And thats how people get started, asking questions. So ask away. Certainly I am not the Escort God, I dont know anything compared to some. And I am always asking questions. Thats how you learn.

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91-96 BP: 127 hp 114 tq
97-99 SPI: 110 hp 125 tq
ZX2: 130 hp 127 tq

And you didn't tick me off because you asked the question really...but it just seemed like you knew the specs of what you wanted, but you hadn't put much thought into exactly how you wanted to go through with it, and just decided to lean everyone else, 99% of whom haven't done any swaps.

There's a few that have and are doing a great job helping the rest of us n00bs out, but they didn't have people to lean on either, they did 90% of the leg work themselves. :wink:
 

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Escort_KXT said:
The real question is: "How hard is it to search for another post on this subject?" Not that people dont want to help out here. Just try to search around there are many people that have asked that very question. And many people who have done the SPI (2.0) swap.

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Matthew
i did it bbut keep the fucking secondaries closed. this thing comes off the line like i got a fat guy pushin it
 

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Escort_KXT said:
The real question is: "How hard is it to search for another post on this subject?" Not that people dont want to help out here. Just try to search around there are many people that have asked that very question. And many people who have done the SPI (2.0) swap.

JeffescortLX
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Matthew
i did it bbut keep the fucking secondaries closed. this thing comes off the line like i got a fat guy pushin it

and jeffscort i thought you were gonna get the engine swap guide you put up for me put into a how-to on the main page
 

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Swapping in a 1.8 wouldn't be worth the trouble unless you just happen to already have the front clip of a GT sitting in your driveway (or the whole car).

If you want to swap in the 1.8L with the intent of turbocharging or swapping in a GTX or GTR motor in the future, then it would be worth it.

You need to understand that the BP motor probably has the most power potential out of the engines that were made available on the chassis (Mazda BP 4s, Mazda K series V6s & Ford CVH / Zetec 4s).. but the 1.8L BP motor in the GT is the least powerful variant of the BPs in it's stock form.. it's also the most overbuilt (forged internals, strong block, etc).

The other great thing about the BPs is the equal length half-shafts.

So, if you have plans to make a stupid fast raging escort over the next couple years with the use of many paychecks.. go for the BP.. if you want the wow factor, go for the 200hp KL-ZE v6, if you just want to mod up the engine to go for 150hp or so.. go for the SPI or a Zetec.

I'm having trouble deciding myself. If I can get a wrecked MX3 GS for a good price (people still want $6k for some of those stupid MX3s.. a $13k 10 years ago :roll: ) I'll go for the V-6 (and evenually the KL-ZE) because it's the last thing people expect to see under the hood of an escort wagon. I'm also considering the viability of a GTX AWD swap..

JeffscortLX.. did you ever find out any more info on this swap? My research (and pulling up next to a 323 in the lot at work) shows that the 323 has a 4" shorter wheelbase (I've found conflicting wheelbase measurements online, but none of them say they match the escort's wheelbase). I'm assuming the gas tank(s) , rear subframe and hubs will bolt right up.. but I'll need to have the driveshaft lengthened (no biggie).

The only drawback I've heard is that the drivelines are fairly weak on the Laser TSX AWD (GTX driveline in heavier Austrailian Escort)... but that's probably because folks don't understand how much more torque an AWD driveline is subjected to when you mistreat it (clutch-drop launches & continuous off-road wheel spin).
 

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rallyscort said:
I'm not real mechanically inclined
Then why are we talking engine swaps? :)

The easy way out of your situation would be buy a GT.

One is in my paper this morning for $750. The amount of time and headaches you saved yourself and whoever tries to help you with this swap doesn't even out. Just buy a GT. :)
 

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Yeah but that's 120 already turboed. Granted you could put a different turbo on it, but why go with that option when you could throw in an SPI and with some bolt on mods, not including turbo, get it up to around 150? Shouldn't be all that hard. You could even, if I'm not mistaken, use the turbo off of that 1.6 and put it on the SPI. (I think, anyways.) Though the 1.6 is still an option, IF you can find one... I've seen all of one of them in a junkyard, and I've only ever seen one, in a car, running... Plus it's just plain easier to find an SPI. There are tons of them, in every escort LX and SE and wagon made 97 and after...
 

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The old 1.6 turbo motor has forged internals, so you can swap turbo's crank the boost and make 200 hp easly. A N/A 2.0 SPI with all the regular bolt on's can make about 110whp. My 93 Turbo Pony 2.0 SPI is making about 150 whp. The 2.0 SPI is a direct bolt in for second gens, the 1.6 is a bolt in for first gens.
 

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Beaverboy said:
My research (and pulling up next to a 323 in the lot at work) shows that the 323 has a 4" shorter wheelbase (I've found conflicting wheelbase measurements online, but none of them say they match the escort's wheelbase).
ok according to the 92 mazda shop manual the wheelbase of the 323 hatch is 2493mm. the wheelbase of the protege is 50mm longer. hope that helps (sorry for going off topic)
 
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