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Helping a friend get a cheap gas saver

Discussion in '3rd Gen 1997-2002 2.0L SOHC' started by 04Svt, Sep 19, 2019.

  1. Bas1c973sco

    Bas1c973sco FEOA Member

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    I thought it was typically insufficient lubrication to the cam lobe? I have heard of the valve seat falling out before on our cars. Perhaps I should take a look under the valve cover and see what going on. Do you replace the bolts that hold down the lifters and rocker arms? It now has 139k mi I’ve owned it since 65k. I do not trust engine flushes anymore, even if they’re BG.


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  2. 04Svt

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    I wouldn’t engine flush, just change every 3 to 5 k miles. Never heard of insufficient lubrication to the cam lobe in these cars . I guess it would be possible if you ran any car with let’s say 1 quart of oil.
    Generally I’ve seen the valve seats fall out on May of these with 120k to 160k miles. I’ve even bought one with 103k and she dropped a seat and the rod went though the cylinder liner. Had to put a sleeve in it to repair that cylinder.
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  3. 04Svt

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    Rocker arm bolts are reusable , and should be torqued to 22 foot pounds.
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  4. Bas1c973sco

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    I always change my oil on time, what I was alluding to is that when I got the vehicle at around 80k I did an engine at the dealership, (the BG Oil one) and ever since then there have been not great noises (cam sounds etc) if I use 10w30 it quiets down but I regularly use 5w30 because 5w20 doesn’t sound great when I run the engine with it. Hahah Thanks for the torque specs, glad I don’t need new bolts. Cyl 4 is typically the culprit with the valve seats right? Or it could be any?


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    I’ve seen a lot that were cylinder 4 , I’ve also seen cylinder 1.
    The problem when one goes it sends all the metal fragment though the intake and they go into the other cylinders.
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    My friend made another payment today. He should be all paid off within the next two weeks. Then I’ll put the car in his name and smog it.
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    Got some really good used tires at the wrecking yard for the car for 50 bucks. They are all almost new ,the old tires were dry rotted. So now I’m happy my friend will be safe on his commute.
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    Got the car smogged yesterday. The guy mentioned he doesn’t really see cars of this age burn so clean. It probably has a lot to do with me cleaning all the carbon off the pistons and Of course the freshly rebuilt cylinder head .
    Today we got the car registered in my friends name and it was only $140 apparently the guy started the application for title transfer, paid $340. Then the car probably took a crap on him and he didn’t finish . So now my friend has tags till Jan of 2021.
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    My buddy paid me all that was owed and is now driving the car. He was so happy to fill the tank for 31 bucks. Lol
    Well on to the next project.
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    Good to hear that the car has gone off to further duty.
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    Yes this is the 3rd escort I’ve gotten for co-workers. Fixed a 95 escort wagon a guy had(blown head ). I’ve fixed two other I sold on Craigslist.
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    The car was missing the head. Presumably any piston damage would have been obvious. Also, replacing just a head is easier than replacing a whole engine.
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    Yeah the car was missing the head and I found out it must of messed the original head up due to heater hoses breaking upon inspection. There was no piston damage so no need to replace the whole engine. Once I was done the car ran like a watch and is now seeing 100 mile per day commutes.
    plus junk yard motors on these cars tend to be piles of junk and all the ones with clean bodies have valve seats that fell so the engine is not worth pulling at a yard for that. The head I got was from a wrecked one so that told me the car was running and I have a better shot at keeping cost down. The head I got still needed hardened seats put in and a valve job so 140 bucks later it was just like new from my machine shop .
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    Great story, how has your friend liked the car?....I picked up a pretty darn clean '97 Tracer this last summer (early August) and slowly but surely it's been coming along and turning into a great daily driver when needed. 20200125_150400.jpg
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    He really likes the car . I believe he has already put 12k miles on it. Saving gas has really helped him with his family. 100 less per week in gas , now that can go toward his kids.
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    I just got back to this thread, so it turned out being the lifters so I got some oem ones from eBay and now it runs good and makes less noises. Lol


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    Did you find any obviously bad lifters?
    Any damage to the camshaft lobes?

    I'd save a few good used ones for the future (actually I'd save all the ones that weren't obviously damaged, I'm a bit of a hoarder that way).
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    Oh yes I did, I found one stuck compressed. I don’t know if I’ll re use the old ones, I may disassemble a couple just to explore but I ll end up tossing em they have 141k mi on them. What led me to replace them was a horrible knocking sound from the top of the motor. I’m very lucky there wasn’t any crazy damage from the stuck lifter, everything else in the head looked good though, no uneven valve seats or anything like that. I’m kind of wondering if I should’ve cleaned out the oil channels leading up to the lifters in the head. [​IMG]


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    I had a couple lifters sticking and clattering badly on a road trip in the middle of frickin' nowhere last fall. Luckily it's a simple matter to knock 'em apart on a block of soft metal and then clean them sequentially in gasoline and isopropyl alcohol.

    A minor amusing distraction 300 miles from home.

    I don't know why the lifters would be gunked up:


    Greenwod tunnel, hydraulic lifter, Fireman's helmet 013.JPG
    Gasoline, Isopropanol and a couple containers, pliers:

    Greenwod tunnel, hydraulic lifter, Fireman's helmet 007.JPG

    After a rinse in gasoline, working the plunger in and out to loosen it, in isopropanol:

    Greenwod tunnel, hydraulic lifter, Fireman's helmet 012.JPG
    Parts are disassembled, cleaned with a paper towel and put back together:

    Greenwod tunnel, hydraulic lifter, Fireman's helmet 009.JPG
    I then picked up my rubbish as well as a bit more to leave the place tidier than before, packed up and carried on. The delay did cause me to have to drive into the night and pouring rain on windy, narrow mountain roads.
    In the darkness I came across a peculiar blinking light on the side of the road, which turned out to be a guy on a recumbent bike. I hope he made it, it seemed extremely dangerous but I guess he might have had trouble as well, causing the night time riding.

    Middle of nowhere, British Columbia. No cell phone reception here, even if I had one, and wanted to cheat:

    Greenwod tunnel, hydraulic lifter, Fireman's helmet 016.JPG

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  20. Bas1c973sco

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    Dang the black gunk is gorgeous. Hahahah That sucks man, definitely made your trip an adventure though. I long to have a wagon one day. Well if you want some of my old ones I’m more than happy to send them to you so you have some back ups. I have the SPI so they should drop right in. Let me know.


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