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Help with 98 escort ZX2 DTC P1383

Discussion in 'ZX2 1998-2004 2.0L DOHC' started by shadow24, Jan 16, 2008.

  1. shadow24

    shadow24 Guest

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    My son has a 98 Escort ZX2. Bought it with 125,000 miles. now has 150,000 miles. I am trying to help him fix the vehicle. He came home and said that the SES light came on and the acceleration was an bogging. I checked the codes and he had P1381, and P1383. After reading some of the other advice, I asked him to get the oil changed, then we would clear the codes and see if that worked. He had the oil changed at Oil Express. He said it seemed to run better. We cleared the codes and they stayed cleared for 2 drive cycles. Then the P1383 came back, but the P1381 is gone. The car is still idling rougher than usual and even stalls sometimes at idle, but starts right back up. It also bogs down right before shifting but he can press more on the accelerator and get it to shift and then the engine comes back. I am going to drain 8 ozs of oil and add 8 ozs of Seafoam, clear the codes and hope it is something that can be cleaned with the Seafoam additive. Does this sound like a good start? If the codes remains, what should we do next?
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    cklaubur Former Escort Owner

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    A P1383 code means that variable cam timing is over-retarded. The ZX2 has a feature called VCT, or Variable Cam Timing, on the exhaust cam. VCT is usually controlled by an oil control solenoid. On the ZX2, I believe it is located on the valve cover, by the serpentine belt. Have you tried running the car with it unplugged? With it unplugged, it should run the cam with default timing.

    Casey

    P.S. A P1381 code is also for the VCT. It means that the cam timing was over-advanced.
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    Casey, We have not tried removing the connector to the oil solenoid yet I will try to get to that on Friday. I thought it was kind of strange how both codes showed up together, advanced and retarded. I was kind of hoping the oil change would magically fix them. Thanks for the advice. I'll let you know what happens.

    Joe
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    mmahamm New Member

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    Maybe your timing belt has slipped. Could be a bad tensioner or idler pulley. Any rattling noise from the timing belt cover?
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    UH OH !!!!!

    Oh No!!!! Now the car won't start. My son drove it to school and when he came out to go home it wouldn't start. I think the timing belt broke. Now, I have another question. When he got the oil changed they only put 4 quarts in, so I went to the oil change place with him and asked how they only put 4 quarts in but it holds 5 with the filter change. He pulled the dip stick and showed me it was full and very clean oil. I had Dan Drain 8 ozs of oil out from the drain plug so we could put the Seafoam in yesterday. He drained black oil from the drain plug but the oil on the dip stick looks like brand new oil. So why is there 2 different colors of oil? How many problems do I have here?? Oil not circulating? Broken timing belt? Is it worth changing the timing belt or could it be "worthless" ?
    Thanks in advance for any help.
    Joe
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    Dunno about the oil - never heard of that - but in regards to the timing belt, it's a non-interference engine, so no valve damage from the broken belt.

    Porsche apparently learned their lesson from the 944 :)
    (from what I understand, Ford consulted with Porsche engineers on the 2.0 zetec... )
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    Ok, pulled the top timing belt cover. Belt is not broken but missing lots of teeth, in spots. Tried to turn the engine over using the starter. Looks like everything is spinning in there. I'm thinking that maybe the belt stopped where the teeth are completely gone on the belt and would not turn everything at once throwing off the timing. I ma still concerned about the oil color differences. Does anyone know where the oil pump is on the 2.0 DOHC ? Does it run off the timing belt? There was lots of dust and belt particles in the cover and the back side of the belt is very slick. I ma kind of hoping that the oil pump was not turning due to the belt. Our plans are to change the belt, not sure about changing pulleys or tensioner. Not sure how long he will keep the car. Any recos on what else to do while its in our garage. There is limited funds available and may only be kept for about another year or so.
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    4cylinder FEOA Member

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    oil pump is run by the crank. broken timing belt will not affect this. just install new belt and the car will be good again

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