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ok, my car's engine is essentially dead. the timing is all messed up (that would b like $500 2 fix), the head is warped, & the exhaust valve in #4 is burnt (these r the only things we KNOW of in our 130k mile 1.9). ok, here goes, i'm replacing it w/ another 1.9. but i wanna turbo it in the future. i coulda sworn i heard of a 1.6l head that fits the 1.9 & can b turboed. this true(i know turboing a 1.9 i will only get lower boost, but will the 1.8HO directly bolt up, cause that's what i'd like 2 do)? ok, i also need instructions(very detailed, cause although i know a lil about cars, i don't know that much) on how 2 swap out a 92 lx wagon engine for a 94-95 lx engine (the current engine doesn't have an egr system, it's a 92.5 engine, so it also has the smaller mass air sensor)? o, & i would put a 2.0 in it, but i'm getting the engine 4 maybe free (just found out 1 of my cousins owns 2 u-pull it car yards :D ). he already said he's seen people try it, but i doubt he wants 2 give me a newer engine (but a 95 w/ low miles is cool). any & all help much appreciated, & can sum1 also tell me how long this might take w/ all the necesary equuipment but a noob (me) tryin 2 do it?
 

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cynnical siragan sez:

It's going to cost you a bit of money to build up the 1.9L. For starters, you're going to have to completely revamp the fuel system to be able to feed the boost, you'll want to revamp the intake system to have an intercooler in there, and then you'll also want to build up the engine pistons and rods, and exhaust manifold to acccept the turbo. Even after you're all done, your car still won't handle that well, so you'll have to revamp the suspension, tires, and rims.

With all the money you've used to get your escort to that point, you could get a more powerful, better handling car like a nissan 350ZX TT.

If turbo'ing your LX is really your thing, by all means go for it, but I personally think it's a waste of time and money.
 

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siragan said:
cynnical siragan sez:

It's going to cost you a bit of money to build up the 1.9L. For starters, you're going to have to completely revamp the fuel system to be able to feed the boost, you'll want to revamp the intake system to have an intercooler in there, and then you'll also want to build up the engine pistons and rods, and exhaust manifold to acccept the turbo. Even after you're all done, your car still won't handle that well, so you'll have to revamp the suspension, tires, and rims.

With all the money you've used to get your escort to that point, you could get a more powerful, better handling car like a nissan 350ZX TT.

If turbo'ing your LX is really your thing, by all means go for it, but I personally think it's a waste of time and money.
I'm running mid 14's with a few hundred dollars worth of junk yard parts, did I waste my time and money?
 

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i want 2 put a 1.8 or 2.0 in, but i'm getting this new engine 4 free, & my cousin who owns the yards has seen people try & fail w/ a 1.9-2.0 swap, so he doesn't really want me 2 do it (which means i doubt he'd give me a 2.0 free, & i have no $ @ all for a while & need a running car 2 get 2 a job). so my main question is what do i need 2 do swap the 1.9? that & if the 1.6 head would fit & is there a turbo for it (i realize i'll b running really low boost, but i'm not gonna b turboing it 4 @ least a few months, probly longer cause i have no $, but when i do it, i'll do it right)?

Ps. siragan, u're right that 2 make my 1.9 as fast as i want, i'm better off w/ a 350z, but is there a 350z wagon? i want a cool scort wagon, idk y, maybe i have problems, but a fast econo wagon beating a civic would b quite sweet
 

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monkeyboy383 said:
i want 2 put a 1.8 or 2.0 in, but i'm getting this new engine 4 free, & my cousin who owns the yards has seen people try & fail w/ a 1.9-2.0 swap..
I have a feeling your cousin has seen ppl fail the 1.9 to 1.8 swap, ppl that are not familar to the Escort would assume that since the body is the same that the motor's would have a lot in common, that could'nt be farther from the truth.

The 1.9 to 1.8 swap is very difficult, nothing is the same including wiring computer and drive train.

The 1.9 to 2.0 swap, very easy, take out old motor put in new, and throw on a SPI controller than take it for a spin.

If your goal is power, then why bother with a 1.9 when you can have 25% more power with the same anount of work?

If you cant afford a junk yard 2.0 motor than your not gonna beable to afford to turbo.

You dont need the 1.6 head to turbo, the turbo manifold fit's the 1.6, 1.9 and 2.0.
 

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Now about the 1.6 head on a second gen:
Not worth the trouble. You'll have to worry about valve relief, cam sensor, possible machineing needed, different impedance injectors, different TPS and IAC valve is a little different. (You'd need the intake manifold)

The SPI head/motor flow's just as good, and is a plug and play.
 

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Being that your in LX land my .02 is probably worthless, but here is what I know:

1. Siragan is giving you advice while playing devils advocate.
2. Swapping from a 1.9 to a 1.8 isn't worth the effort
3. Swapping from a 1.9 to a 2.0 IS the way to go...use Jeff as the example
4. 2.0 direct swap will give you more power and appeal for car enthusiasts....but more importantly 2.0L turbo better then 1.9L (my opinion). I personally feel that a 2.0 could be a good turbo project...even on low boost numbers
 

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i get what u guys r saying, but here's the thing. i'm 16, so i don't get 2 much $ cause i don't have a job @ the moment (i need a car 2 get there cause my parents won't let me drive their's & won't drive me themselves). if my cousin will give me the 2.0 for free, then i'd rather do that, but i have a fealing the only freebie i can get is a 1.9. eventually, once i get a running car i'll b able 2 get sum money gathered up 2 turbo whatever it is i have, but 4 now i have 2 take what my cousin will give me 4 free... hopefully a 2.0 (but doubtful). ok, so i might as well ask a couple questions about that... what do i need that i can't get from ur average junkyard? maybe if i beg... i'm not above that for more hp...
 

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Jeffescortlx said:
Dont even waste your time putting in a 1.9, you'll only be mad at your self later. Just pay the exstra money for a 2.0, it's worth it. Best bang for the buck.
http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/419565/5
Only thing you'll need is the split port controller, use can use a push button switch untill you can affod one.
Click on the above link for every thing you need to know about the swap.
But I suggest a new clutch while it's all out.
 

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i tend 2 agree w/ the new clutch idea, but this leads me 2 another question... how hard is it 2 convert an automatic 2 a manual? just curious, cause i'd love 2 have a manual, but if it's 2 much i'll just use another auto. thanks 4 all ur help on the subject
 

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monkeyboy383 said:
but here's the thing. i'm 16, so i don't get 2 much $
not only do i agree with siragan 100%, building up bottom ends with forged parts, internal parts, labor to have the block bored/honed, bearings, MASSIVE fuel system/exhaust work, parts for the turbo, larger clutch, flywheel resurfacing, the time to figure out what you're doing, the time to do it, the time to fix all of the weak links in your drivetrain once you're making an extra chunk of hp, it would easly be more worthwhile to save up your money and buy a 2.0 w/ 5speed transaxle, and with the weight difference, it would not surprise me one bit to see you hit a high 14 like jeffescortlx is running.
 

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If you're 16 and don't make much money, I would suggest getting a landscaping or construction job over the summer, making a few grand, then re-evaluating what you want to do then. I know from experience that an install such as a turbo install not only takes a a pretty consistent source of income for the thousand pain-in-the-ass parts you need to get, but it also takes a significant amount of time to get everything working correctly.

Chances are you'll have your car up on jackstands for a while and your car will of course be out of comission.

If you don't have a fair chunk of cash to spend right now though, chances are this project will take you several months to complete as the money rolls in.

I don't mean to shoot down anybody's dreams or anything, but I'm just tryin to keep it real.
 

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Since it's a auto...I dont like auto's. There a pig, they rob a lot of power, weigh more and have'nt proven to me to hold much power let alone 88 hp.
So if you really want your car to perform the most it possible can, put in a 5 speed. But that is a big project.
If is was me, I'd just use the car as a every day driver and maybe buy a different car for a project car.

The 1.9 to 2.0 swap is a peice of cake, just follow my step by step directions.

Turboing a LX really is'nt as hard and exspensive as some ppl make it, yes it does add up and you will need money, but do your home work and reaseach as much as you can, and it can be practical.
 

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putting a turbo on a 1.9 is not expensive.
putting a turbo on a 1.9 and making a decent, reliable amount of horsepower is expensive.

putting a turbo on a 1.9 can't be very hard.
putting a turbo on a 1.9 can be EXTREMELY time-consuming.

Research and know what you're getting yourself into. Putting a turbo on a car isn't quite the same thing as installing a K&N. That's all I have to say. :)
 

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i know a turbo is gonna cost in the thousands. i probly worded my question wrong (i do that alot), but i wanted 2 know if i could turbo the 1.9 in the distant future (a year or 2). but now i'm more concentrated on the 2.0, which i might get 4 free( the only way it'll happen now), but the turbo will come much later. i'd luv 2 get a construction job, but unfortuantly there are like no jobs around here 4 a 16 year old cause the economy sucks. i've been lookin 4 a job, but i'm not picky, i'll take anything that pays(i'll even take below minimum wage, but there's nothing near me). but thanks 4 all ur responses
 
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