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How the hell do u set these up in our cars. (end gen lx is what i have) I have mx-3 seats so the hole by the ehad will be used obviouslt but what to i hook the end points to?
 

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Oh is that all thats needed? Wow i feel retared. So i can just but them and hook um up? Nothin else? How come many people arent doin this now. It seems farely easy.
 

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there are only one type of street legal harnesses, schroth harnesses. I have a topic around here a while ago about it but I cant find it. Google them.
 

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I put my Weapon R's in like 2 yrs ago , I still have never had a ticket for having them! and yea they do bolt up to the exsisting bolts! and I have gotten into an accident that wrote off my car and those belts work wonders! no marks left on my body and kept me right against the seat! :lol:
 

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escortlx96 said:
People usually use the factory seat bolts to bolt them up.
You can use the factory seat bolts for the lap harness, but that is not a good spot for the sholder harness. If you get into an accident it will cause you more hurt the good.
 

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ohh and forgot to mention that if you do bolt the shoulder belts to the back bolts under ure seat you will snap ure spin like a twig if u get into an accident! so u have the option of loosing ure back seats to bolt them where ure belts go on a 45 degree angle like ure supposed to or you can find another way using a B pillar bar or I have seen people using the rear strut bar but the metl isnt to strong that are used in those! :twisted:
 

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I have seen them being bolted up to where the side rear belts hook up under the backseat.It is almost inline with the center of the the front seat.
 

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A really dumb idea if not used in conjunction with good roll over protection, i.e. 6-point roll bar or better. For one, the roll bar will provide you with the ideal mounting location/angle to mount the upper belts, And second, If you flip your car, you're dead.
 

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Georonimo said:
A really dumb idea if not used in conjunction with good roll over protection
Roll cages are a very very good idea. I've got friends who are big into rally and they'll all tell you the same thing. However, the part about if you roll your car with a 5pt harness on and you'll get crushed is baloney. You'll get just as crushed with a harness as you would with the skimpy stock belts. The bottom line is that the chassis of the car is as floppy as a slice of cheeze.

In all honesty, I think that most people misuse harnesses. A harness is used when your car is fully race-prepped with a roll cage and you are in danger of flipping the car several times...

If you're using it to hold you against your seat while you're driving agressively, then you're missing the point. That's why we have a dead-pedal. You'll find it works wonders. Trust me on this one.
 

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siragan said:
Georonimo said:
A really dumb idea if not used in conjunction with good roll over protection
Roll cages are a very very good idea. I've got friends who are big into rally and they'll all tell you the same thing. However, the part about if you roll your car with a 5pt harness on and you'll get crushed is baloney. .
Baloney? What are the chances of both driver and passanger walking away from a wreck like this if the car was equiped with a 5-point harness?

I'm saying close to zero. Doesn't take much to snap your neck.. especially when a 3000lbs car is landing on it.

For the record, both driver and passanger literally walked away from this accident with minor injuries. Granted they both had helmets on at the time of the wreck, but they were both held in with a factory shoulder belts that allow necassary movement in the event of a major roof collapse.




Same story with this BMW.. driver and instructor walked away, stock seatbelts.
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetod ... MxeTU0MQ==

A harness with out a proper roll bar is DUMB.
 

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Georonimo said:
siragan said:
Georonimo said:
A really dumb idea if not used in conjunction with good roll over protection
Roll cages are a very very good idea. I've got friends who are big into rally and they'll all tell you the same thing. However, the part about if you roll your car with a 5pt harness on and you'll get crushed is baloney. .
Baloney? What are the chances of both driver and passanger walking away from a wreck like this if the car was equiped with a 5-point harness?

I'm saying close to zero. Doesn't take much to snap your neck.. especially when a 3000lbs car is landing on it.

For the record, both driver and passanger literally walked away from this accident with minor injuries. Granted they both had helmets on at the time of the wreck, but they were both held in with a factory shoulder belts that allow necassary movement in the event of a major roof collapse.




Same story with this BMW.. driver and instructor walked away, stock seatbelts.
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetod ... MxeTU0MQ==

A harness with out a proper roll bar is DUMB.
hmm i disagree. as long as it its mounted right, it will be okay, plus are u planning on flipping your car, you would have to be driveing super fast to flip, it keeps you inplace instead of moving around= safer
 

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hmm i disagree. as long as it its mounted right, it will be okay, plus are u planning on flipping your car, you would have to be driveing super fast to flip, it keeps you inplace instead of moving around= safer
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Damn Ricer mentality.. It's a lost cause I guess. I give up.

Going to cancel that roll bar for my mustang as well since I don't really PLAN on flipping it anyway...
 

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I agree with Geronimo... Im sure the guy with the white mustang woke up that day, had a cup of coffee, and said to himself "MMM, looks like a good day to crush the roof in on my mustang."

No one plans on accidents... Thats why they are accidients. I mean helll, look at me, I have to have the frame on my car straightened because I slid into a curb, A CURB, at 10 miles an hour.

If you are really serious about racing, and actually need 4-5 point harnesses, you need the cage to go with them too.

Oh, one more thing, I wanna know how he explained that one to the insurance... :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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This is the proper mounting position for a harness.

As you can see the belts are mount near or at shoulder level. This implies that you have a rollbar with a cross member. This is from http://www.simpsonraceproducts.com/safety/safety.aspx?page=restinfo_seating#popUpright

Two things can happen when you mount a harness on the floor or use the rear belts mounts:
1. If you're hit from the rear the belts can compress down. Resulting in a possible back injury.
2. With no rollcage in the event of a rollover, you're stuck in place (you can't duck or flop around). Resulting in a possible neck injury.

Safety equipment can only function properly if it is used properly.
 
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