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i don't know if i'd trust those rotary engines. I figure, the Piston engine has been around for over a hundred years, and it still has a lot of issues. The rotary engine is fairly new, just imagine the possibilities.

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to tell ya the truth, the Evo is the one import that i would ever own. If it were given to me. Otherwise, you'd never see a car in my driveway that was made in japan. (or korea, or china, etc.).
How sad :( You're missing out big-time.

"Camaro Z28 with a 6 sp and a 350" Beauty of a ride, but i'll take a '69 stingray and (not or :) ) my brand new 405 horsepower 0-60 in 4 seconds ZO6.
Sounds like a blast.. on dry roads.. unfortunately it won't get me down my driveway when 1/4" of snow falls, much less the ski mtn.. of course, my subaru will every time.. year after year.. mile after mile .. and an Evo or an STi would also do the trick, but I'd probably never stop at the mtn since I'd be having too much fun powersliding around every switchback through the hills.

"But if you want to throw it down in the corners, you're probably gonna get it better from an import."

I'd challenge any car (nevermind import) outside of a porsche GT3 to pull over 1g lateral acceleration.
Sticky tires and a disregard for a comfortable ride will help any passenger car reach or breach the 1.0G limit. SCC's project celica (yes, a FWD car) was pulling over 1.0G last time I checked (and road legal).

I love when i see civics with chinese characters all over it flying the stars and stripes on the antenna :)
Japanese characters (at least they should be).

There's a 50% chance that civic was built in the USA.. while there's a 100% chance your escort was built in either Mexico or Canada... which one really makes more sense to see with stars and stripes?
 

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if it's front wheel drive performance i'm after, it's gonna be a pontiac Grand Prix GTP. Stock 260 horse.
I was wondering when i was gonna hear about the ford plants in mexico and canada. When i say "American" i mean it's an american company. When you buy a Ford, the money goes into the American economy (god knows we need the help). With everyone buying honda's and toyota's, were turbocharging Japan's economy. And besides, i just don't see what everyone else sees in Civics.

Sticky tires and a disregard for a comfortable ride will help any passenger car reach or breach the 1.0G limit
And a rocket engine will make any car go 500mph. Say someone modifys the hell out of a car, spends a ridiculous amound of money upgrading pretty much everything. Maybe, if they make the right decisions, they'll get the performance of a stock corvette.
 

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if it's front wheel drive performance i'm after, it's gonna be a pontiac Grand Prix GTP. Stock 260 horse.
Ahh, the most common american sports car fallacy.. low weight is much more important than a cool HP figure.

I was wondering when i was gonna hear about the ford plants in mexico and canada. When i say "American" i mean it's an american company. When you buy a Ford, the money goes into the American economy (god knows we need the help). With everyone buying honda's and toyota's, were turbocharging Japan's economy. And besides, i just don't see what everyone else sees in Civics.
American economy? WTF is that? It's no different than a slice of the World economy. The Japanese, last time I checked, were in much worse shape than we are economy wise. I don't feel bad at all throwing a few thousand yen their way to drive a car that has more refinement than the best american iron... it's the least we can do after turning two cities full of their civillians into vapor back in the 1940s (while we cry over two mostly empty buildings having fallen in one of our cities). (That statement is not to reflect empathy towards the WTC attacks.. but to bring up the the American sentiment that America is all that matters)

Sticky tires and a disregard for a comfortable ride will help any passenger car reach or breach the 1.0G limit
And a rocket engine will make any car go 500mph. Say someone modifys the hell out of a car, spends a ridiculous amound of money upgrading pretty much everything. Maybe, if they make the right decisions, they'll get the performance of a stock corvette.
The SCC celica probably comes in just under the price of the vette at a one time cost.. probably comes in at half the price over 10 years (factoring in fuel mileage and maintenance costs which have always been dismal on vettes).. and beats the GT3's price by a good $200,000...

Who's throwing money at something?
 

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Well, I didn't mean to initiate an argument over which cars are better, as I mentioned earlier, any car can be made to do whatever you want, whether it be American or not, that's your perogative.

I just think that the whole "Import Vs. Domestic Battle" has gotten way out of hand, it's like food, music, art, everything that man creates. People will have different tastes, so why should we bash each other for liking something different.

If someone would rather drop thousands of dollars into a Honda to make it run like a Corvette, I say more power to them, likewise, if you want to make an amewrican car fly around corners pulling 1g or more then go ahead.

I am personally just glad I live in a place where cars are "affordable" and that I am lucky enough to have one.

And thanks to Beaverboy for the support, your knowledge seems to be much higher than mine and shows me I have a lot to learn about too.
 

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your right about horsepower not being the indicative, but your wrong about weight being more important. They're both equally important...hence, Power-Weight ratio, in which the '97 GTP posts similar numbers as a Boxter. Can't quite keep up with a ZO6, but quite enough to burn most modified civics.

Anyway, misfit is absolutly right. I'm feircly pro-domestic, your not so much :). Neither of us will change, which is why we should agree to disagree. Either way (and i'm sure we'll agree on this point), i'd rather see a 14 second civic than a 16 second civic with a bodykit and an ironing board bolted to the trunk :)

Chris

BTW, '95, if i ever see you rice out a corvette, i'll drag you out of it at highway speeds :wink:
 

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i don't know if i'd trust those rotary engines. I figure, the Piston engine has been around for over a hundred years, and it still has a lot of issues. The rotary engine is fairly new, just imagine the possibilities.

Chris
The rotary has been around longer than a few years...my old shop teacher used to be a mechanic and he was trained in the late 70s on rotary engines, even though they weren't in mass production, they were around and being tested. Sure it hasn't been around since 1902 etc but 30 some odd years is quite a while

The RX8 is FAR more reliable than the old 13B. It uses side exhaust ports. Read about it. You'll see why. :wink:
 

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I just think that the whole "Import Vs. Domestic Battle" has gotten way out of hand, it's like food, music, art, everything that man creates. People will have different tastes, so why should we bash each other for liking something different.
It's the same thing as the Chevy Ford rivalry that's been going on since...what? the 40s? 50s?

Just let it run it's course.

I'm not brand loyal. I'd ride a Civic/Prelude... but I want a Camaro. :D

I drive an Escort...but it has a Japanese Mazda engine in it. 8O

It's about having POWER, but more importantly I believe it is in fact about power to weight ratio. A 190 hp 1800 lb car (Lotus Elise 190) will beat going straight, going around curves and going through a slalom a 390 hp 3500 lb car. (Mustang SVT Cobra R)
 

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well you know ********=chevy lovers or so im told....my whole point with saying corvettes suck I didnt really mean it lemme explain.....Corvettes are 2 seaters I have no need for a 2 seater....I need all the room i can get with skateboards females friends and all sorts of other things If i had the money to have a normal everyday 4-5 seater car and a corvette yeah I'd prolly own one But Im with james I'd rather have a camaro.......James Just think My first car coulda been a 77 camaro with a hurts shifter and a bunch of other stuff all it needed was new tires and exhaust and I coulda had it for 500 bucks from my uncle But i didnt really dig the shape of that year camaro :twisted:
 

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77 Camaro=Ugly (as with all 2nd generation Fbodies (70-81))

2nd generation Camaro/Firebirds aren't my favorite, no SS package from 1972 until 1992 & from 1975-77 Chevy also didn't produce the Z28.

If I were to get a Camaro it'd have to be an IROC or a 4th gen Z28/SS. :wink:

Anyway...
Corvette=two seater
Camaro=two seater with pointless rear seat and cramped sitting space.

The Corvette isn't for storing and hauling stuff. (although the new ones have 24.8 cu ft of storage space in the trunk (13.9 w/ the convertible)

It's about going fast. That doesn't mean it sucks. It just means it isn't right for you.
 
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