Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by kids-at-711, Feb 25, 2011.
funny thing is it still cheaper then milk by the gallon!
^Around here they are both about the same, so far...
gas station down the street is:
If you don't like the price of gas you can only blame yourself because you:
1. Bought a lot of good made in thirld world countries, thus enabling them to start buying cars that need gas.
2. Reproduced. If you have kids you are part of the problem. More people = more demand for gas = higher gas prices. We should stop paying people to make babies (I.E. - parnets should pay much higher taxes instead of lower taxes). And ban on immigartion and sealing the border as well.
3. Did nothing to curb illegal immigartion. More people in the US means higher gas consumprion.
4. Told the auto companies that you are not willing to sacrafice performance. That under 10 second 0-60 mandate by auto companies marketing department is killing gas mileage potential. They don't undestand that there is a market sof slow cars if we can get better gas mileage.
5. Failed to complain to your representatives about all the unnecessary auto mandates that hurt gas mileage (air bag requirements, traction control requirements. side impact requirements, etc). That mostly just weight down your car and provide no real benefit.
6. I'm sure that some of you are wasting oil heating your home. I fI were dictator, I'd outlaw that. There is no excuse for that when there are so many better ways to do that with domestic sources.
7. Again, if dictator, I'd make more of those truck stops where the truckers plug in overnight instead of idleing their engines.
8. Try to get as many Arab countries to stop generating electricity with oil. They are mostly in hot, sunny areas where solar would work great and they could reduce their oil usage in the electricity generation process, this making more available for export. I'd also look into domectic refineries to see where electricity from nuclear/wind/solar could reduce the oil and natural gas used by refineries and other industrial processes here.
9. Stop printing money.
<gets off soap box>
But since none of the above is likely to happen (I have some hope for #6), expect mught higher oil and gas prices in the future.
This is the problem I have with the situation. Gas prices are what they are - you as a consumer can't do much about them, except to drive less or purchase a more fuel-efficient vehicle (which most of us with Escorts are already doing). However, when prices go up INSTANTLY when any tiny skirmish breaks out in oil-supplying countries, that's what I have a problem with.
Knowing how supply chains work, you know the gas you are pumping into your car right now can't have originated from the oil in countries where there are problems today. Yet, the corporations raise prices immediately. Consider that the recent conflict in Libya, which the US gets almost NO oil from, caused prices to go up in days. When the strife is over, they follow the supply chain with lowering prices again.
Then again, I suppose this never changes either. You Canadians, though... you're f**ked either way.
It will be cool if they can get this concept off the ground, without being shot that is...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110227/ap_ ... owing_fuel
Now that is pretty cool.
I agree with you on a "cheaper gas for MEEEEE!!!!!!" level, but that's about it.
From a business perspective, it makes more than perfect sense, unfortunately.
Granted, it doesn't really apply that much to a company posting $45 Billion profits in 2010, but think about it.
Gas prices have gone up. You need to replace the supply that's being used right now. You can't do it if you charge the lesser amount proportionate to what you paid for the current supply. If you keep selling ONLY based on what you paid on the current supply, instead of looking forward and forecasting for what you're GOING to pay the next time, you'll go out of business.
As for the rest of you, unless you're driving a big rig diesel that gets 10 miles to the gallon, the hike isn't THAT big of a deal.
It's costing me a whopping $2-$3 more to fill the tank on the Escort. If that $2 is going to make or break you, then i wouldn't be chancing driving, you might have to make a repair, heaven forbid you break down and need a tow.
Our gas took on another $ .11 increase over night last night.
Its a huge deal if you use diesel. Diesel prices were I live have risen about .50 a gallon in the past 2 weeks. Now that's robbery. It also costs me more than $2 extra to fill up my Escort. Over the summer I could do it for around $30, last time it cost me $35. That's $20 extra a month that I won't have.
I know it adds up... (I'm not singling you out, by the way... this is just an interesting conversation to me. )
But that's $20/month. Let's look at it a different way. It's 66 cents a day. If you drink soda, drink one less can a day. Eat fast food 3-4x less a month. Rent 4 less movies a month. Drink a case less beer a month.
$20/month is peanuts if you think about it.
Now, in the case that you're already living as frugally as humanly possible, and this $20 is breaking you, then that's a different situation. In that case, i'd start looking for another job, or moving back in with your parents (Again, not adressing you specifically, for sure) since living on the edge to the point that $20 will break you is never going to end well.
The trend of gas prices is always to go up, up, up, up, up.... We all just have to figure out how to compensate. Big oil isn't listening to us, they don't care, not anything we can do about it.
Trust me, i don't like it either. The Jeep gets 14mpg. The MX6 gets about 20mpg with all the around-town driving i've been doing, and it takes 93 octane. But, i need to go places, so i need to buy gas. I just buy it, and try not to think about it.
I know its peanuts, but they are my peanuts, and I like peanuts. And as far as I'm concerned when you made $45B last year you can afford to buy your own peanuts and not steal mine. :lol:
I have absolutely no arguments with that. :lol:
What happens when the increase is worth $100/month like me?
If you're driving a lot, then i would hope that you'd be making a proportionate amount of money more.
If not, then something's gotta give/change. The unfortunate side of it is... YOU have to figure it out. The big oil companies doing GAF about you.
What's the car in question, here? Obviously not an Escort... that would mean you're going through about... 20 tanks a gas of month.
My pay isn't tied to the price of oil. And despite what I actually get paid for fuel at the end of the day the reality is it comes out of your own pocket.
To give you an idea I spend on the order of 500-700 per month on fuel. I drive 6000-7000km per month on average, sometimes as high as 10000km in a month while still working 8 to 6 or 7 or 8. That was driving a 2000 neon that got extremely good milage (after mods it did better than my scort did). Now I drive an avenger. No matter what I drive despite the fact km are paid for it comes out of my pocket in some form or the other.
Gas was only $0.19/gal when I started driving in about 1970. No one thought about shortages or limited supply's.
It's a catch-22 though. Gas companies have to make a profit. E.g. even when we economize on electricity, water or fuel, the utility companies raise rates to keep a profit.
I don't have an answer other than to drive my 'scort. plan my routes, bike or walk when possible. I sail for recreation, I can sail all summer on 3 gallons of gas. I can't imagine paying powerboat fuel prices for "fun".
I can understand that.
I apologize if my posts are coming off as "holier-than-thou," certainly not my intention, i promise.
The fact that you're being compensated in some way helps out, though. Is it necessarily directly proportionate to gas prices? You say it's not, and i'd agree. Most companies don't do that.
I'm reasonably sure that you make more money than i do, and i drive about 3000 miles a month.
Sounds like a defeatist attitude, and on some levels it is, i just prefer to complain about things i can have an impact on. This isn't one of them.
I get a flat rate for cetain amounts of travel, and paid by the km for others. When gas prices were low it since I spent so little on fuel per km it came out to a nice bump in pay actually. As the price of fuel increases it affects my bottom line. The per km rate is only adjusted every few years.
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