[mkuchere]

Will the exhaust manifold from a 90/91/92/93 1.9L EGT fit an 89 1.9L LX??

Too cheap to buy headers, was thinking about grabbing a GT manifold from the wreckers and swapping it in.

Any ideas?

 

[mkuchere]

Somebody??
ANYBODY??

 

[James92Scort]

Go for it. I don´t see why you shouldn´t, if it doesn´t fit, you can always sell the parts.

 

[TheBlade]

its the same 1.9L motor, should be exactly the same.

Here´s a question, I thought only the 1.8L was the GT model. What in the world makes the 1.9 a GT ? is it fuel? is it the 5speed tranny ?

 

[mkuchere]

Damn...I think you´re right...
In the early 90´s, Escort GT´s had 1.8´s and the LX´s had the 1.9´s.
I guess the 1.8L exhaust manifold wont fit my 1.9L huh??

See, in my year, the LX´s were CFI (throttle body injection) while the GT´s ran SEFI. Now, my plan was to pickup an exhaust manifold from an EFI 1.9L with the hopes that it would breathe a lot better than the one currently on my car.
Am I wrong with this one??
Need feedback before I go waste my time and money at the wreckers.

I recall seeing a 1.9L SOHC Escort that had a stock headers-style exhaust manifold. Anyone have any idea what year/model this was from??

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[ Edited by ShinyBlueEscort On Date 10-04-2002 ]

 

[rascal]

How much is the exhaust manifold going to cost you? On Nopi.com a uncoated Pacesetter header is only 117.00, and its new. You don´t know about a junker part...especially a exhaust manifold..it might crack taking it off, putting it on or driving it just a few miles down the road. I´m going to get a header for my 88.5 LX, plus gut out the cat too.

 

[91sleeper]

For your CFI engine you want a header from a pre-91 Gt. That´s a ´90 or older. They are a nice tube style header, it will directly swap onto your engine, and you can get one cheap. They actually fit all the 1.9 engines, including the 91-96´s too. But the 1.8 header won´t fit anything besides a 1.8. The only thing I am not sure about is if it will eliminate the cat on your car, since the GT header goes all the way from the head, under the engine to the main exhaust flange. If that´s the case then just put a new cat inline after the header, or just run no cat (no cat is bad though!).

 

[Pimp_scort_89_GT]

GET AN 88-90 EGT EXHAUST MANIFOLD. THEY CAME STOCK WITH A HEADER, AND IT WILL BOLT ON PERFECTLY!!!! WHAT EVER YOU DO READ THIS BEFORE EVEN THINGKING ABOUT GETTING A PACESETTER HEADER FOR A GEN 1. THEY ARE CRAP!!!

http://www.escortfocus.com/html/headers.html

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[ Edited by Pimp_scort_89_GT On Date 10-05-2002 ]

 

[rascal]

Thanks for clearing that up Pimp. I´ve heard some bad things about Pacesetter and wasn´t sure what to believe. But the article clears up a lot of questions. So a 89 & 90 GT exhaust manifold will fit my 1.9L CFI LX engine? I got a junkyard here who has about four of them. I´ll check them out. And again, thanks for insight.

 

[91sleeper]

The guys at escortfocus don´t know what they are talking about. There was a huge post about them on the erdt board, and nothing but negative comments were made about them. A lot of their stuff is just rebadged off other brands, and I don´t know a single person who who has ordered andything from them due to the fact that they don´t return emails. If I can find the post I will stick it up here, because it was specifically conderning that header article you posted about. They also give out a lot of false information besides that, one saying that the 1st gen EGT header won´t fit 91-96´s, although I know about 10-15 people that hve it on there 91-96 cars. Now once someone buys something from them and it´s actually good, maybe I will reconsider my thoughts on this company, but probably not.

 

[PHECKEDup]

I was told i could get a 1.6l header and put on my 89 1.9l and it would flow alot better than the 1.9 header...is this true?

 

[91sleeper]

I don´t know about that, I didn´t think the 1.6 came with a tube style header. If you already have a GT (your sig says EFI so I assume its a GT) then don´t waste the money on a new header because the stock one is good already.

 

[Pimp_scort_89_GT]

I´m not promoting escortfocus.com, I´m just pointing out that the pacesetter header for the first gen 1.9 is crap. They just happened to have an article showing exactly how crappy it is. Anyone looking to get a header for a first gen LX would be much better off getting a GT header. A) they are a lot less expensive, B) they are engineered by Ford to the exact specifications of the 1.9l engine so you will know it is going to fit and work like they are suposed to, and C) they have the O2 sensor positioned where it should be, not in one of the primaries where it only gets a reading from one cylinder, but in a crossover where the 4 primaries join go from 4-2 tubes so it can get a reading from all of the cylinders and not block any of the exhaust flow. Personally I think all of the headers shown in that article are crap compared to the Ford design.

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[ Edited by Pimp_scort_89_GT On Date 10-05-2002 ]

 

[rascal]

Well, I found a junkyard that is suppose to have a 89-90 GT 1.9 header for me. He said 20 if I take it off, and 30 if they do. I´m going to save the 10 and do it myself. I want to see what condition it is before I start anything. I will install it when I do my oil pan gasket, since I have to remove the bottom section of exhaust anyway, I will remove the whole front system and gut out the CAT and install the GT header. I will keep everybody posted on how it goes and how it SOUNDS!!

 

[rascal]

Got the header today!! After fighting with it for over four hours in the junkyard mud I got it off. I will post further details after dinner.

 

[rascal]

Okay gang, since I´m done eating I can write. LOL That header was a pain in the ass to get off. The car didn´t have any wheels on it so it was "draggin´ frame" and after all that rain in the last two weeks from the tropical storm Isadore and hurricane Lili that place was like a 4x4´s dream come true. It took me nearly an hour and a half to get the car high enough to get under it...and that´s not a whole lot of room either...the jack kept sinking the mud each time.

After getting the car up and on rims..LOL I started taking the bolts off from the header and flange. The exhaust pipe from the main header has some sort of EGR piping or something..not real sure. It is totally different from my exhaust. Also had some sort of metal brake line style connection right near the exhaust flange. It took me four hours and a can of penetrating oil to break the springed flange bolts loose. I got one flange bolt loose with no problem...well maybe some cut up knuckles and dirt in my eyes.

The last one was a real pain, it didn´t want to budge at all. The junkyard didn´t have a propane torch to use to heat it up any so after an hour of straining, I got pissed and went to my car, got a book of matches, went back under the other Scort and lite every damn one of them and held it under that bolt long enough before it burned me. And believe it or not the bolt came loose after a few more minutes of tugging on it with a wrench. All in all, I got the header for $20, sunburned real bad and enough cuts and scrapes to last me a couple more years...AHHHH! the join of working on cars.

Sleeper: You said running no CAT is bad, I would like to hear your comment on that. Thanks! Shiny: If this works out good enough, I will post pictures of it before and after. Keep your fingers crossed!!

 

[91sleeper]

When I said it was bad, I meant bad for the environment. It´s not bad for the car as far as I can tell; besides the fact that with it removed the exhaust is like 10x louder, at least on my car. Someday I will get a video with sound so people can hear how loud it actually is.

 

[rascal]

Well, I didn´t get the CAT that went to the GT and really don´t have the money to buy a racing one either. I will just let it go without a CAT unless it gives me a total nervous breakdown. As for the enviorment, my car is pretty well tuned...I´ve seen some whoopties around this town that could use a major overhaul on the ways they smoke!

Thanks for the input though man.