FEOA Forums banner
1 - 20 of 29 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
32 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
hey guys, i have a 94 accord wagon with a 2.2L v-tech engine and i have some questions about similar things in escorts. i've heard of "secondaries" in 1.8 gt's... and i've heard of OBDII in 97+ 2.0spi escorts... but what are these compared to honda v-tech... and is there an escort version of v-tech? i had my 93lx wagon with the 1.9sefi and i know that had nothing like that (when we first got the honda i hated that "burst" at a certain spot... but now i don't think i could live without it). i look forward to being with an escort again... everything about them is better than my accord (except that 1.9sefi)... especially the turning radius and the weight (my accord wagon is somewhere around 3000 lbs... compared to i want to say just over 2000 lbs for escorts?). btw, i asked this in my post about what year gt to buy, but does anyone know what the weight of a EGT is? if the year matters (which i think it doesn't besides airbags), 95. thanks a bunch for any info
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,078 Posts
5spd EGT's are ~2450lbs.

Nothing any Escort has is comparable to v-tec in any way. You will never feel the 'v-tec power surge' in an Escort. :( Sorry.

edit - oooooh aaaaah. James even has neat graphics to show the difference. I told you the hondakids get hella pissed about that ish. Posers.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
8,915 Posts
First off your Accord has a VTEC engine...not V-tech. This is the #1 most annoying thing to read on Hondaswap.



On to your question: The 91-96 Escort GT, & 91-95 Tracer LTS with the 1.8L DOHC BPZE motor has what the Integra GSR has, secondary butterflies in the intake plenum. It's activated by a pressure switch at 5500 rpm-ish (varies from car to car) which opens the 4 secondaries to allow air to flow faster for the high rpm operation. It's a poor mans VTEC, but it is nothing close to VTEC. Mazda is now coming out with it's own version of variable valve timing though.

Escort Wagons are just a little heavier than the LX sedan/coupes which are roughly 2200-2300 lbs, 91-93 GTs are 2458 lbs and the 94+ get a bit heavier yet because of electronics, airbags and other gizmos.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,078 Posts
Mazda's and Mitsubishi's are close, but they only modify the intake-cam lifts and durations, and don't touch the exhaust side of things.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,078 Posts
Which is not nearly as dramatic a power-change as the dual-cam, correct?

Everyone's got the single-cam nowadays. My friend's SATURN has variable intake lift..
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
8,915 Posts
TitoElSpicco said:
Which is not nearly as dramatic a power-change as the dual-cam, correct?
well with an intake on there it's still pretty loud, but I can guarantee not as loud as my DOHC VTEC with my Injen Intake...I need to get some video of me accelerating... :D
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,078 Posts
So a louder intake makes you faster? :) I wish I drove a $15k Honda so I could have a loud intake.

I'm pretty sure his Accord has the dual-cam v-tec, which isn't comparable to a single-cam, intake-only v-tec type action.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
914 Posts
On to your question: The 91-96 Escort GT, & 91-95 Tracer LTS with the 1.8L DOHC BPZE motor has what the Integra GSR has, secondary butterflies in the intake plenum.
And the 97 and up sedans and wagons. Kicks in at 3,000 RPM and is activated by solenoids, only real difference. You can get an SPI controller to make them open faster so you get the power sooner. >.> *felt left out*
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
8,915 Posts
coyote-x said:
On to your question: The 91-96 Escort GT, & 91-95 Tracer LTS with the 1.8L DOHC BPZE motor has what the Integra GSR has, secondary butterflies in the intake plenum.
And the 97 and up sedans and wagons. Kicks in at 3,000 RPM and is activated by solenoids, only real difference. You can get an SPI controller to make them open faster so you get the power sooner. >.> *felt left out*
Didn't know that. my area of knowledge is what I had.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
8,915 Posts
TitoElSpicco said:
So a louder intake makes you faster? :) I wish I drove a $15k Honda so I could have a loud intake.

I'm pretty sure his Accord has the dual-cam v-tec, which isn't comparable to a single-cam, intake-only v-tec type action.
vtec. no hyphen. Anyway, a louder intake doesn't necessarily make you faster. never said that. :wink:

Depends on the model of the Accord and which engine it has... and since he said it was the 2.2 VTEC, then I'm sure it's an H22a.

H22a = yes VTEC <---- Honda's Big block motor. 200 hp NA, can make a streetable 300 hp NA if built right.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
32 Posts
Discussion Starter · #12 ·
sry about the it being vtec... i haven't looked into it too much. i don't like that car much besides it's engine and it's tach... it's too heavy, it's turning radius is horrible, and it creaks when i load it in a turn. that, and it's overpriced, and imo ugly. o, and did i mention that it's heavy? it's faster though... it'll probly get to the same speed as the GT... but it'll do it faster. in all honesty, escort owners are probly gonna get mad, but vtec is the biggest thing that's making me still consider a 92ish civic Si... but the price is a bit higher... o well, i love escorts... i'm gonna go nuts...
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
8,915 Posts
A 92ish Civic Si will get eaten alive by any 91-96 Escort GT stock for stock. Period.

If you're going to get an older lighter car, get a 91-96 GT or LX-E (has four doors)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
8,915 Posts
Christ Kikoy is right. I'm completely retarded. been a long boring day...

Here... Pick out what you have man...

Engine code/dipslacement in CC/hp/torque/CR/bore/stroke/valvetrain/vtec?/OBD/years in cars

F22A1 2156 [email protected] [email protected] 8.8:1 85 95 sohc no 0 1990-1993 Accord
F22A1 2156 [email protected] [email protected] 8.8:1 85 95 dohc no 1 or 2 1992-1996 Prelude S
F22A4 2156 [email protected] [email protected] 8.8:1 85 95 sohc no 0 1990-1991 Accord
F22A6 2156 [email protected] [email protected] 8.8:1 85 95 sohc no 0 1991-1993 Accord
F22B 2156 [email protected] [email protected] 9.2:1 85 95 dohc no 1 or 2 1992-1996 Prelude Si
F22B1 2156 [email protected] [email protected] 8.8:1 85 95 sohc yes 1 or 2 1994-1997 Accord EX
F22B2 2156 [email protected] [email protected] 8.8:1 85 95 sohc no 1 or 2 1994-1997 Accord DX/LX
H22A 2157 [email protected] [email protected] 11:1 87 90.7 dohc yes 2 1997-2001 Prelude SiR (JDM)
H22A 2157 [email protected] [email protected] 10.0:1 0 0 dohc yes 2 1999-2001 Prelude
H22A 2157 [email protected] [email protected] 10.6:1 0 0 dohc yes 1 or 2 1994-1997 Accord SiR
H22A 2157 [email protected] [email protected] 11:1 87 90.7 dohc yes 2 1997-2001 Prelude Type S (JDM)
H22A 2157 [email protected] [email protected] 10.6:1 0 0 dohc yes 1 or 2 1992-1996 Prelude VTEC
H22A1 2157 [email protected] [email protected] 10.0:1 87 90.7 dohc yes 2 1997-1998 Prelude
H22A1 2156 [email protected] [email protected] 10:1 87 90.7 dohc yes 1 or 2 1994-1996 Prelude VTEC
H23 2259 [email protected] [email protected] 9.8:1 87 95 dohc no 1 1993-1995 Prelude Type S (JDM)
H23A1 2258 [email protected] [email protected] 9.8:1 87 95 dohc no 1 or 2 1992-1996 Prelude SE/Si
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
32 Posts
Discussion Starter · #17 ·
the code on mine is wierd... but it's not 200hp. it's 130. according to the engine code in the civic forum on www.automotiveforums.com, my engine is a prelude engine... although it's not. it's like a h22b2. it is v-tech, and it's nice (but in 2nd gear of my 4 speed auto it doesn't kick in... so 2nd gear really sucks in my car). and about the civic Si... the escort and civic both have about the same hp... so is the civic engine less torquey? and since you guys should be able to tell me and you're already here... is there a 4 wheel disk brake conversion for the gt? thanks again everyone... this is so helpful
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
914 Posts
GT comes with 4 wheel disk breaks. Base Civics (LX's and EX's) have less torque than (I think) all models of escorts 91 and up. The Si's... I'm not sure. >_< In general Civics aren't real torque, but other Honda engines are. (Since I got b*tchsmacked in another thread for saying Honda's don't generally have a lot of torque when I meant /Civics/....)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
8,915 Posts
GT comes with 114 ft lbs, it just depends on the model and year of the Civic, EX/LX/CX/VX/DX/Si on the torque production, the b16a2 Si makes 111 ft lbs tho.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
32 Posts
Discussion Starter · #20 ·
sry james... didn't see your chart till after i posted that... but that's pretty cool. yea... f22b2 is what my accord has... no vtec for me. then if it's not vtec... i really wanna drive something that is. lol. anyways, thanks for the help and info. i was already leaning REALLY hard towords the escort since i love them in the first place and it's also alot cheaper versus an Si. and now that i hear gt's have 4 wheel disk brakes i've pretty much made my decision. now all i have to do is find one at a lot. thanks alot guys... you've all been a big help
 
1 - 20 of 29 Posts
Top