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Hillo!
I would like to know which engine can be swap in a Escort 96 lx.
I was thinking about the 97 2.0l spi, but we cannot really get much performance out of it. Also for the GTX. I was thinking about the V6 KLZE, but I think it's a little complicate to swap. I know it's possible but...
Which part will be to remove and to change?! All the electronical? The computer? Front axcel?! Does the tranmission is a direct bolt in?
If someone is able the inform me about that, because I really want to put in that V6. And my friend will put the same motor, but in is mazda mx-6 :p
Does another engine can be put more easilly and can have to same power?!
I want to have about 400 hp with a turbo in it. Will be fast if I'm doing it :p
 

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the LX's aren't built for speed. Best, easiest, and CHEAPEST route to go would be a 2.0spi, with maybe cam, spi controller, and maybe a turbo. That should get ya into low 15's if not 14's. later
 

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I don't want something cheap, I want something good and powerful, and I know already someone that put a V6 KXZE in a escort. He got 200 hp without a turbo and running mid 13 sec.
Jeffescortlx, I don't want to swap a GTX! :p
Don't mind the money! I just want to know way, but surely, not something that will cost 20 000 dollars! :p
 

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SyStEmDw said:
I don't want something cheap, I want something good and powerful, and I know already someone that put a V6 KXZE in a escort. He got 200 hp without a turbo and running mid 13 sec.
Jeffescortlx, I don't want to swap a GTX! :p
Don't mind the money! I just want to know way, but surely, not something that will cost 20 000 dollars! :p
A GTX is the best choice for forced indution, the internals are allready forged. A built KL-ZE is gonna be way more exspensive than a stock GTX. What do you have against the GTX?
 

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SyStEmDw said:
It's a 4 and cannot put as much power than the 6. I know that's possible to do, put a V6 in the escort
Let the flaming begain. :roll:
So you think just because it has 6 cylenders in stead of 4 that makes it more powerfull?

GTX forged internals<-- do you know what I mean when I say that?
 

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A 4 cylinder can be as much powerful than a 6, but have less potentiel of developing power. I don't want a 4 cylinder very powerful running always at full stress because we try to put out as much power that we can.

GTX forged internal, yes a little bit, the cylinder are forged so stronger, i think :p
 

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go with a gtr, crank the boost up to 20 psi plus haltech, ignition, new axels, gt tranny, and play with that, you should be able to get in the 300 hp with that motor. if not more! plus n20. v6 is also a little heavier, and a gtr9 or gtx) will drop right in, or if you want to fab something get a sho v6, superchage it, those motors can be brought to the 400 plus range!

the sho shop out here is hitting a littel over 500 and no nos.
 

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But How much is complicate to swap a Sho V6 ?! Where can I find some information? Where can I find one?! I just want alternative, I want able to do it now, but in about 1 year, I should began that.
 

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SyStEmDw said:
A 4 cylinder can be as much powerful than a 6, but have less potentiel of developing power. I don't want a 4 cylinder very powerful running always at full stress because we try to put out as much power that we can.

GTX forged internal, yes a little bit, the cylinder are forged so stronger, i think :p
You need to do a lot more reading and researching. A stock jap spec KL-ZE can hardley take any boost, because of it's high comprestion. It might have 6 cylender and make 200 hp with out a turbo, but that does'nt mean it can make and take a lot more power with out work.
A stock GTX will blow the door's off a stock probe v6, it can take and make a lot more power.
If you get some built forged internals and lower C/R pistons it can be just as strong as a GTX, but why not just start with the better motor?
 

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So basically, what you are saying is that I'll get a better acceleration and a faster respond when I'll hit the gaz with the GTX ?
How much power can take the GTX ?! And there is a site where I can get some performance part like piston, crankshaft, header?!
 

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Flame away :violent3:

The power produced by an engine is a function of the total displacement of the engine, along with the dynamic comprssion ratio of the engine. Adding more cylinders for the similar sized engines simply distributes the power more evenly over one revolution of the crank. Remember too, that when you start adding more cylinders, you also have to start adding more block to hold it, and more head to operate it. All of this adds weight to your engine and to your car as well. As we all know, weight = slow.

So if you gave me the choice between say a 2.5L inline 4 and 2.5L V6, I'd take the 4.

If you want to start getting powermad with your scort, I'd take jeff's advice pretty seriously. This guy knows more about turbo's and gtx's than I probably will for a while :wink:

Matt 8)
 

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Bah, I'm just beggining in mechanic. I was more on computer before. I'll surely go take a mechanic class, maybe a dep before doing the swap.
 

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How much money do you have for this swap project?

Then Mazda 2.5 V6 is a great motor and all, but a I4 with forged internals will beable to take and make more power.

I cant belive there are still ppl out there that think just because a motor has more cylenders it's better.
 

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400 hp ...huh, you'll need a GTX+big turbo and good managment, I hope you have deep pockets.
You will need swap every thing, get a GT donar car for parts.
If you go that way....itd be easier to just keep the LX as a secondary car and throw all the money into the new GT, instead of doing the build & swap.
 

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Jeffescortlx said:
400 hp ...huh, you'll need a GTX+big turbo and good managment, I hope you have deep pockets.
You will need swap every thing, get a GT donar car for parts.
If you go that way....itd be easier to just keep the LX as a secondary car and throw all the money into the new GT, instead of doing the build & swap.
Thats a good point, if you have enuff money to build a 400 hp escort you can afford to buy a few. Less work in the end just to start with a GT.
 

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First off, lets get one thing out of the way- SHO V6 is a great idea until you start looking at where you have to cut the frame and make C joints to make it all fit. (Please, lets just trust me for the moment). If you're serious about 400 HP, why don't you buy a 1.8 DOHC Mazda motor out of the GT, have a manifold and intake fabricated, do some headwork, and run 20-28 PSI turbo? I'd go with a t3/4 hybrid piggybacking a t4 for lag purposes, but the 1.8 is a motor proven to be able to be built to handle the pressure, and make the power.. there is one running some crazy figure like 545 or some odd number of horses.. plus you can bolt that 1.8 into your LX fairly painlessly.. (make sure you get the tranny and what not to accompny) have you looked at the MX3 LSD? you'll probably want one... the last time i saw one it was selling for $400... I'm not sure what kind of axles you'd be talking about running but eeh.. Suspension upgrades galore there just tokeep from ripping it all apart.

Good Luck!
 

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my turn my turn!

soo... the KLZE engine isn't the best option out there...personally I'd go with the KL-03. I've found a few places to get one from Japan.

The question remains how much do you want to pay for this project. If I were a betting man I'd lay aside almost 5 grand. By the time you get engine, tranny, turbo goodies, and a haltech or similar. It all depends on how fast you want to go. Is this going to be for drag racing or some road/autocross?

IF it were only drag racing what I would do is get myself a BP and a auto tranny to mate up to it. They are a lot stronger. Plus if you are going to go turbo an auto tranny allows you to build boost before you leave the line.

IF you are going for something different a 6 would fill that. But honestly would be a lot more work than its worth. I have access to a Zetec engine with tranny, full wire harness and ECU so that is an option also.
 

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I don't really want to have a drag car, but mostly. I will drive to car everyday so, maybe I'm not looking to have like 700 hp but 400 hp is my goal. I was thinking about 6000$ for doing it. I will do the swap myself with some friend. I just want opinion before doing the swap. Don't want to buy a KLZE and find out that it doesn't fit. And since I'm beginning in mechanic, I've a lot the study. For the looking side, I know what I want and how to do it, but with the engine, I really don't know. And for some people out there, I don't want to buy another car! If I'm buying another car, it will be a 2003 but assurance is very too high for me.
 
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