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Crank Windows to Power conversion?

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  1. Echelon0117

    Echelon0117 New Member

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    SO, I would really like to have power windows in my 97 'scort lx sedan, and it's just got the old cruddy crank windows.

    1.)what would be the best option in doing a conversion? buy replacement interior door panels with all the power stuff or buy conversion kits?

    2.)What would The price of doing either be?

    3.)How difficult would both options be?

    4.)How much Wiring is involved?

    5.) On an additional not how about power locks(Including trunk pop) and keyless entry?


    Thanks for any help!
  2. gb_astro

    gb_astro FEOA Member

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    So, I just talked to my friend about this last week! He is a engineer for an auto company, and has built many doors in his day. This is what we came up with on the subject.

    For the 2nd Gen, The Escort doors on the inside have the same bolt holes for either powered, or non powered. However, on a powered window door we took apart a while ago, it is easy to see that the power window door has been reinforced with extra steel to handle the torque of a power window. What he told me is you can put cranks in a power window door, but you can't put power windows in a crank door. If you do, you will probably bend the door a bit, and mess everything up. I am not sure about the bolt patterns on a 97 though...

    First thing I would do if you decide to go through with it would be to check your doors to see if the powered regulators will even bolt on. For some cars, they make completely different doors for powered and non powered. Then, I would make sure there is wiring in the wiring harness where a plug would hook up to the back door. I don't know about you, but I would not want to have to rip up the interior to run wires! If the plugs are wired (probably are) then you just have to pull the wiring harness from a junkyard door and clip it in.

    If you decide to do it, I would go to a you-pull junkyard and get the parts. Either new doors, or take what you need from the junkyard doors. If you just got parts I think you would need window regulator, wires, window switches, and door panel (at least that is what I would get, I prefer to just bolt things on then cut and attach custom stuff) The junk yard I go to would probably end up charging you about $30-$40 per door for those parts.

    Power locks on a 1995 just require the same wiring harness as the windows, and just bolt right in. I imagine your car should be similar. Never messed with a keyless entry.

    I wish I could tell you about a kit, but I have no idea. I actually prefer the crank windows. Power ones tend to break on me, crank windows last forever! :) (Actually I have never owned a car with power windows that did not break!)

    Good luck! Keep us posted.
  3. billzie

    billzie FEOA Member

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    Although I've not owned a 3rd gen myself, I've pulled PW parts out of them at least 20 times when I used to JY and resell parts several years ago. IIRC, all the wiring is there in your crank window car.
    The doors are exactly the same whether power or manual windows, all the bolt holes are there.
    There is no additional bracing for PW, I'm not an engineer but I think your engineer friend is mistaken. The torque in PW motors is negligible in the plane that the motors are mounted in, they only require the three mounting holes to establish the plane and they have those.

    IMHO, your best be is to find a you pull JY and ask them what it they will charge you for:
    front door panels (usually adding the rear door switched is a fairly easy mod unless they toss in those panels too)
    front and rear PW motors/regulators/wiring/switches

    Also, I don't remember, but make sure that the rear door window lower regulator track is the same between your manual crank model and the PW model, the fronts are the same, I know wagons rear door window tracks are different than sedans.
    Also, make sure you are only getting them from a 3rd gen, although you can get 2nd gen parts to fit you will have to modify the front door mounting location slightly and the 3rd gen front motors are superior tenfold over the 2nd gen.

    I can't give any advice about 3rd gen PL, I've never dealt with them but I'd say the parts will easily swap into your car and you may get lucky and find a key fob in the car as well but unlikely.

    HTH, Bill.
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  4. scotsho

    scotsho FEOA Member

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    Figured I'd chime in 3 years later. I just replaced the left rear door on a 3rd gen sedan, and I had to swap everything from the dented power window door over to the junkyard crank window door. The door structure was the same between the two, and I swapped over all of the wiring and power window motor. The one problem was the glass attachment at the bottom was different between the two. I had to swap over the glass as well.


    Power window glass on the left, crank on the right.
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    The offending door.
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    Finished product.
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  5. pextor

    pextor Moderator Staff Member

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    I ran into this same issue a couple years ago when I converted my old 99 sedan from cranky windows to power windows.
  6. Tnashua

    Tnashua Gearhead / hot rodder with a soft spot for Scorts

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    Alright guys- I've searched for answers & this thread is the best I've discovered... but I still have Q's.
    I've converted crank doors to power doors for use in a PWPL car before- no sweat.
    I just picked up a Crank car & my daughters are disgusted with me for it. :(
    I have a complete set of blue PWPL wagon doors at my disposal. I'd rather not mess with swapping everything over for the time being- just thinking about running around with blue doors on my purple wagon...
    Sounds like the wiring should work alright for the windows, but what about the PL function? Anyone know what I'm up against if I want to get it working?
    Thanks!
  7. pextor

    pextor Moderator Staff Member

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    if the wiring is there for the power features, they will all plug and play.

    honestly it's not hard to swap the guts of the doors, and then you'd have matching doors and no alignment issues with the doors.
  8. scotsho

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    In the 98 door with no PWs or PLs I picked up from the JY, there was a solenoid and wiring in the door for PL only in there. The funny thing was the solenoid didn't work - probably rusted from never being used. So I transferred the PW wiring harness, the glass and working solenoid from the dented door to the JY door. Not that hard to do, maybe 2 hours taking my time?
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    Sorry for dragging up from the grave, not here much any more...
    I would say just take the time to swap over the parts, even with marginal skills and tools it should be doable in a half day. On the question of pw/pl plug and play, iirc you may have to see if the relays are present in your car (wiring for sure is there), relays may not be present in some cars I've seen. iirc, the relays are either behind the ps kick panel or the right side of center console/hvac trim.
    HTH, Bill.
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    I've been inside a 3rd gen door. Power lock attach points are all there along with wiring. On every window crank/manual lock door I've seen there's been wiring but no solenoid. Window attach bracket is as the picture in post #4 . Go to your local pick and pull and pull the solenoid, attach bolts, window and the power door lock/power window button set including plastic button mount off the door panel. Install and enjoy power locks.

    If you're going to do power locks you might as well do the power windows.

    I've seen blank button mounts with only a power lock button but they are fairly rare from what I've been able to observe.

    John
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    pextor Moderator Staff Member

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    I've never seen power lock buttons without power window buttons in a 3rd gen.
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    I saw one in a regular SE sedan once. I didn't realize how rare that was when I saw it but if I spot another I'm pulling the button mount just for the rarity of it.

    John
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    I would definitely be interested in seeing it.
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    IMO, you are better off with manual crank windows. They never seem to break, where as power windows are a constant maintenance item.

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