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    dj4monie New Member

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    Thanks to Jeff for putting together a great primer on how to turbocharge a SPI/CVH Escort.

    I don't have a car yet, but I found a EXP Turbo manifold locally and I think I'm going to pick it up. The Escort meets all my criteria for being cheap and fairly light weight.

    How far have people pushed a Turbo Coupe Hybrid?

    Be nice, I am not under 20 and I've had fast cars before (SRT-4, Mustang GT)

    I was just watching a '85 TC run [email protected] with a ported IHI standard TC turbo. According to the thread on TurboFord.org the car is 3400lbs, which equates to 317hp, not too shabby. (18-19psi) - http://forum.turboford.org/cgi-bin/ulti ... 3;t=031426

    I went [email protected] in my SRT-4, stock turbo similar 60ft (1.78 vs 1.76), stock turbo, 15-16psi, dyno'ed on eddy current 250hp/300ft.

    Considering an Escort could be anywhere from 200-300lbs lighter and I'm personally 25lbs lighter than when I made those passes in 2008/2009; I think roughly the same power as my SRT-4 with the stock turbo (which was ported as well) .

    Seems a TC IHI Hybrid will get me there, will it work?

    I am not concerned about fueling at all. I may be able to use my stock SRT-4 fuel pump which was leftover from the Stage 3R upgrade. I can get Mustang MAF/Injectors as well.

    Take it down to FSWerks and let them sort it out.

    I am still reading a bunch of threads to bare with me.
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    Keep in mind the tbird ihi has a t3 hot side. And a mustang Maf requires a tune. But your goal is possible as long as every thing falls into place.
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    Yes I know all the 2.3L Turbos have a T3 flange, I like the idea of a hybrid IHI Turbo using the Probe GT/MX-6 Turbo exhaust housing and the T-Bird Cold compressor (VC-32). I have read extensively about it here and on the various Probe/MX-6 forums, even found a video (he post on the mx6.com forums) -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Za8dvOeINs

    Tuning will be done electronically, no FMU. Lots of shops around here familiar with boosted vehicles. I am leaning towards FSWerks since (a) I know Randy, (b) he's familiar with MAF controlled Fords (mostly Focus) and familiar with the SCT software (sell it with their turbo kit).

    Plus I like SCT's new Android app that allows me to communicate with the car via Bluetooth. I can use my phone (Infuse 4G) but its likely I'll use a Nexus 7, no more bulky locked flasher units and data cables!

    Plus is feature rich, no G-Tech Pro to purchase either. Making impromptu testing easy...

    I noticed the clutch slave unit needs to be relocated slightly on the late model Escorts (97-02), are there any other gotchas I should be aware of when using the EXP/Escort GT turbo manifold?

    I'm drawn to the '97-'02 for two main reasons. Its very unassuming since no GT model was offered and its OBD-II engine management system (Black Oak) as I can set it up for 2-Step/Launch Control. I wish I still had my 23x8.5x15 M&H slicks... Guess I'll have to buy some more.

    Still working on the budget but it looks like I can start purchasing just after the first of the year.

    Thanks for answering my post.
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    I've been running this hybrid turbo for a long time now.

    Good. Sounds like you have the important stuff under control.


    Yes, this is the hardest part to running the EXP mani. You need to come up with a way to relocate the slave if it's a manual.
    But, it does clear the motor mount, and radiator. But IIRC I think I had to grind a tab off the tranny bellhousing housing for the waste gate or hot side to clear.

    I'm a fan of the square boxy 80's look of the second gens. That and I like a hatch backs (and also have a soft spot for any thing with rear window louvers and a chin spoiler). But, 3rd gens do make quite a sleeper.
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    Yes, I saw that on your build page (212hp/262ft) and I really interested in seeing what it puts down with E85 and the larger exhaust system.

    Do you need dyno money??? The 1st gen Probe/MX6 has a similarly restrictive cylinder head design but I'm having a hard time finding dyno results with the T-bird Hybrid. Somebody with a VJ11 hot side but a VF12 Cold Side from a Asian/Pacific market only Subaru Liberty put down [email protected] + 2.5" exhaust and ran [email protected], I assume this is on street tires.

    Like I said I'm interested in your power potential with the larger exhaust and E85, though honestly you would see a larger gain with much higher static compression.

    I noticed your also a member of the Home Made Turbo forums. When you put together your T-bird hybrid, did you get a rebuild kit for it and then have it balanced or did you just take apart both turbos and made them one? Did you find both turbos in the bone yard? I shouldn't have any problem finding them here in Southern Cali; Probe GT and 87-88 Turbo Coupe Ford sold plenty of them to residence here.

    I'm also considering a 2nd gen Wagon. Would be fun to see a Wagon do 12's or even 11's wouldn't it?

    Need to get my sums right, I am planning a trip to Europe but might try to squeeze a car purchase into the budget before I go.
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    I'd like to know to. Money is not the problem this time, just no time to play with it. Two kids, a full time job, a house and a vehicles to maintain, grass to cut walls to paint... no time for fun.


    I did it the wrong way. I just took two junk yard turbo's and put them together. Didn't have it balanced. Just luck it hasn't gernaded.
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    I sort of thought that's what you did, in fact that's what most people do with JY system, get a part and hope the previous owner didn't (a) run the car too hard and then shut it off (no turbo timer) or (b) frequently running the car low on oil.

    Even though I am not married and don't have any children, I'm working on that, stay tuned.

    Again thanks for the replies and for your complete write up on both your cars, I have gotten some ideas for myself from both setups.

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