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Discussion in '2nd Gen 1991-1996 1.9L SOHC' started by dalebwilson, Aug 2, 2015.

  1. zzyzzx

    zzyzzx FEOA Member

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    Now that I have done more research, the Gates water pumps do get good reviews on Amazon. I was not looking at any specific application.
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    LOL... Same research that I did. :) I'm trying to buy decent stuff without paying a ton for it and the Gates seems to fit the bill. In a perfect world I'd probably throw a Motorcraft at it, but those things are like $80.

    Anyhow, at least on Rock Auto, I was shocked to see that the pump/belt/"tensioner" kits were pretty universally way more expensive than pump/belt separately (including the Gates kit, by almost double the price). I think the pricing might reflect playing on people's ignorance that the pump and the tensioner are integral in this application. I was surprised to see it when I first did a 1.9L.
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    You really don't want the Motorcraft water pump, since then the tensioner is separate. The one you bought, the tensioner is part of the water pump. This cuts costs.



    What's even more interesting is that the Gates stuff is cheaper than Dayco. I certainly wouldn't pay more for a Dayco timing belt when i could get a Gates.
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    I went with DNJ. It was the cheapest kit.

    I don't understand why you're saying the pump and tensioner are integral...my tensioner was a separate piece.
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    Because on many aftermarket pumps they ARE integral. This was all news to be that they are separate bits depending on manufacturer. The Gates and Autozone pumps are all one part.

    Oh.. and I see in your sig you have a '97. On the 2.0L I'm pretty sure they are all separate parts. Not sure if that is the car you're talking about or not.

    Oh really? Well, I guess that explains some of the cost! I had always assumed that the first one I did was a Motorcraft, but I guess not! The PO had it done at a dealer but maybe they cheaped out on her for whatever reason?

    I couldn't agree more. I've had poor results with anything branded as Dayco and will only use them in a pinch. I like the Goodyear (now Continental I believe) "Gatorback" accessory belts and Gates for all other belts and hoses. They've never let me down and wear like iron.

    To sorta get back on the topic... New radiator hoses from Rock, in Gates, are $15 for both. No time like a water pump change to tackle that if it needs done (and that's my plan).
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    I had to look it up. I see what you're talking about now. I always figured the 1.9 and 2.0 would be the same since the motors are so similar.

    But yeah on the 2.0 it's not an assembly like that. If I remember correctly the tensioner bolts directly to the block, independent of the water pump.
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    Funny enough, based on some of my research it appears that you can install a 1.9 water pump and tensioner combo in a 2.0L and, and at least at the time what I researched was written, the 1.9L parts were far less expensive.

    So... If what I looked up was correct, a 1.9L pump + 2.0L belt drops drive in a 2.0L and may save you some bucks.

    So yeah, they are similar enough that the parts "work" across blocks, but totally different from the factory.
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    Their serpentine belts and plain idlers wheels are perfectly fine. The rest, not so much.
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    I have a Dayco belt on my SUV. It felt pretty stout when I got it.
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    I've had like 3-4 of their serpentine belts start showing unacceptable wear (fraying, checkering, etc) within ~10k of installing them and begin glazing over by ~20k. I've also had an absolute boat load of their V belts break on assorted power equipment (now I run Oregon kevlar belts on that stuff and I have yet to break one... those aren't cheap though).

    I know everyone has their own experiences and opinions, and that's cool, but I won't be buying Dayco anything any time soon as long as I can get something else. The prices are all pretty much the same anyhow so it's not like my brand disloyalty is costing me anything.
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    I've got at least 125K miles on a GMB water pump in my Escort. I'll probably wait until it's tine to change out the timing belt next before changing it again. I just put a new Aisin water pump in a 2000 Camry that had the original water pump at 160K miles. The old pump was fine. If I had to do it over I would have left in in and just changed the timing belt and timing belt tensioners (one of the twoe tensioners had some play in it).

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