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Best tool for holding crank still whilst tightening/ removing crank bolt?

Discussion in '2nd Gen 1991-1996 1.8L DOHC' started by 95GTOwner, Aug 29, 2015.

  1. 95GTOwner

    95GTOwner FEOA Member

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    Does anyone have a link or suggestion to this procedure? Is there a specific tool made for this job on the 95 Escort GT? No air tools, please. Thanks for the advice!
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    pextor Moderator Staff Member

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    electric cordless impact. hey, it's not air powered!

    I use mine a lot, it's very handy for swapping tires too.
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    Maxwelhse FEOA Member

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    mcph3rson FEOA Member

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    Ya an impact gun is best tool. Love the fact one was required for my job, saves me so much time working on cars.

    Harbor freight has a 1/2" corded for $40-50 depending on sale. Also have a 1/4" cordless for $40 right now. My 1/4" Milwaukee broke the bolt free on 2 escorts.

    Last time I did it, the crankshaft kept turning a couple degrees when id let the water pump spring tighten. Had to redo it like 5 or 6 times. Would of been a pain to jam something in there each time.

    I'm planning on picking up the HF 1/2" corded in a few weeks myself. Well worth the value.
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    Swift FEOA Donator

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    Actually I used a strap wrench, the type with rubber strap not the chain version. With this I was able to hold the pulley and use breaker bar on the bolt.
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    ShakeZilla19 My name is ^^^

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    I put the trans in 5th and have someone hold the brakes.
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    That's how I ended up with this problem...
    https://www.feoa.net/threads/1993-1-9l-escort-wagon-running-poorly-after-warmup.73865/
    No matter what I did, could not achieve the 90 or so ft-lb specification without the strap wrenches slipping, bending or breaking.
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    Pushed the 93 right across the shop floor (skidding 3 tires) doing that trying the get the CV nuts off.

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    Anyhow, a piston stop is the correct (and cheapest) tool for the job.
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    Are you guys living in the North with the salt and snow?
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    ShakeZilla19 My name is ^^^

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    No salt. just snow.
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    ShakeZilla19 My name is ^^^

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    The cv nuts can be a pain. I use an electric corded impact for them. Use the same 5th gear trick to torque them down.
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    Salt here

    My Dewalt corded impact barely takes lug nuts off. It, a more powerful air impact, and 6ft breaker bar all failed. Ended up grinding the nuts down and splitting them with a chisel. The breaker bar is what pushed the car across the shop.
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    ShakeZilla19 My name is ^^^

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    Damn, fortunately Anchorage does not use salt; regularly. They will spray a brine in early emergencies but for the most part only use gravel and sand. Salt only works if the average temp is 20+*F. Any colder and you get chemical ice, which is nearly impossible to remove.
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    Believe it or not, it routinely gets cold enough here too that salt stops working, yet they keep laying it down. They are starting to use some sort of ethanol or something that is made from corn, and works better, and is non-corrosive. I really hope they start using that stuff exclusively. Right now they only use it on select bridges.

    Anyhow... That is why piston stop is a winner. It mechanically halts the drive train. I've never heard of anyone damaging anything with them either. 1/4 of my problem was it being a 2400lb car. Just not enough weight on the tires to resist my beef fed ass with a 6ft cheater bar.
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    How would I torque it correctly with the gun? Surely pro mechanics have a technique with power tools?
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    You can't. The "pros" just lay on it with an impact.... hence why I do my own work.

    That is why a piston stop is the right tool for the job. I'll give the strap wrench suggestion some credit, but damned if I could turn 90lbs in opposing directions at the same time with any degree of control... and I'm a big 6'4" Indiana corn fed SOB. I suppose you could pin the strap wrench against something, but that sounds like a pain in the ass and they cost more than a piston stop.

    I confirmed that 14mm is the correct size and added this:

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...rue&ref_=ox_sc_sfl_title_2&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

    To my personal Amazon cart for when I do the belt in our 95 in a few weeks. It's going to need half shafts in the spring, and you read my troubles with those, so I need one myself in that size.

    ...also, f electric impacts. They're children's toys. I'm sure that will be a controversial statement, but I've tried many and they're all useless. Get a $15 Harbor Freight breaker bar and a $10 chunk of black iron pipe to us as a cheater and you'll be better off.

    That's about $40 of tools to do the job, assuming you have a torque wrench. Hard to beat.
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    They've been using a brine composed of beet-juice.
    http://nationswell.com/beet-juice-ice-melt-streets/
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    Yep! That's the stuff! I thought it was corn, but I guess it's beets.
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    FWIW, I bought and received the very same piston stop I told you to buy, and with any luck, will be using it myself this weekend on our '95. Will update the thread if there is some problem with it, but it seems legit upon inspection.

    *also of note... Bought big-ass Ingersol Rand 2235TI MAX impact gun to get the damn nut OFF (will be torquing correctly with piston stop upon re-installion). That is literally the opposite of what was requested, but a man cannot survive without air tools forever. I'm not confident with using the starter and a breaker bar to do the job and the last time I tried it with my breaker and cheater and got nowhere. With an automatic tranny your park paw may be good enough.
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