[beastscort]

why hasn't anyone tried to put a honda engine into an escort. plz don't ban me for that comment. :wink: i was thinkin since everybody seems to think that honda motors are so much more amazing, why not put one in your car. it would be virtually the same amount of work as trying to cram a zetec into a 92lx, but with much better end results. once accomplished, all of a sudden there would be virtually limitless amounts of cheap parts for it. dont get me wrong, im not stupid, i know the trannys would be swapped, the halfshafts, the ecu, the harness, virtually eveything from a parts car. and i know the engine and tranny are in opposite positions as ours...but that would be sweet.

 

[fordboy4ever]

it wouldnt even be totally swapped out... doing that your looking at having custom axles made... custom mounts, everything would have to be custom just so you could say my ford/mazda is powered by a honda... when with a turbo our motors would stand up better... allowing us to make more power on the stock internals compaired to a honda.

basically its just an idea like shovin a 460 under the hood... it could be done but at what cost/gain ratio

 

[marclar]

that would be cool, however we as escort peple are trying to add some divercity to the sports compact world. becides... a honda motor owuldnt be able to move an escort that well. hondas are hella lighter. thats why they can run so fast. if you put a weak motor in a heavy frame, it owuldnt be worth it. you would have to use at least a 2 litre. becides, i love the schere amount of hellish torque that my motor makes. i have never EVER experienced the same torque from a honda..ever. putting a honda motor in an escort would be like putting a ranger motor in a f350

 

[fixitmattman]

This is what I see.....

You wanted to buy a civic.

Your parents said no.

They either had, or bought an Escort that you are now stuck with.

You are still in denial about owning an Escort.

By planning this motor swap you think you may be able to impress or keep pace with the civic crowd.

My solution:

Either buy a civic already,

.... or keep the Escort and drive a real car :wink:



The Escorts aren't that bad to work with. You'ld be surprised what these little Fords can do.

Fark Honda

But yeah, it would be a LOT of work. No body's done it before. You'ld be on your own.

Matt 8)

 

[Jeffescortlx]

why hasn't anyone tried to put a honda engine into an escort.

Because Honda motors use different mount's, trany, axcels and every thing in between and attached to it.

it would be virtually the same amount of work as trying to cram a zetec into a 92lx.

No it wound'nt. A Zx2 Zetec will bolt in.

 

[zzyzzx]

once accomplished, all of a sudden there would be virtually limitless amounts of cheap parts for it. dont get me wrong, im not stupid,

I think you just contradicted yourself there. Seems to me that if you wanted cheap parts, you'd be putting an Escort engine into your Honda.

Duh.

 

[siragan]

Don't let these guys get you down... if you have access to a machine shop or something and have enough free time and money, you can fabricate anything. Since I'm at RPI and have access to machines that most guys only dream of having access to, I can make just the most rediculously nice stuff. Everything from CNC machined parts to ABS plastic lightweight plenums to AIR-MET special application axles... the sky is the limit. But if you don't have a good tool base to support you... I don't want to get down on ya, but the work will be so difficult, and the outcome will likely be sub-par.

 

[James92Scort]

that would be cool, however we as escort peple are trying to add some divercity to the sports compact world. becides... a honda motor owuldnt be able to move an escort that well. hondas are hella lighter. thats why they can run so fast. if you put a weak motor in a heavy frame, it owuldnt be worth it. you would have to use at least a 2 litre. becides, i love the schere amount of hellish torque that my motor makes. putting a honda motor in an escort would be like putting a ranger motor in a f350

As per what I bolded out... what the hell are you talking about? If you meant Hatch then yes, a hatch will be lighter than a coupe/sedan. That's a given, but put any civic sedan or civic coupe against a 2G GT and they're roughly the same weight... with the same amount of power (105-127 hp depending on civic model and year)

If you put even a B16a into an EGT, it would destroy half the sport compacts on the road.

2G GT= roughly 2458 lbs stock.
2000 Si= 2601 lbs stock.

Stock for stock I can kill a 2G GT any day of the week, but if you put a 160 hp motor into a 2G GT and I wouldn't be winning anymore.

i have never EVER experienced the same torque from a honda..ever.

What the hell was your car stock? 125 ft lbs... holy crap! a whopping 14 more than I have, and 5 less than a b18c has. I think you just had a pre-disposed opinion of what you were going to feel in the Honda when you rode in it and then stuck with that opinion.

I don't see why you would really want to put a Honda motor into an Escort anyway. If you're going to spend the money on a JDM B16 (about 4 grand), why not save a few dollars since you can easily get a GTX swap for about 2 grand. (1100 for the motor and all from corksport.)

 

[coyote-x]

Just a thought here. I'm no car wiz, but wouldn't the cost of fabricating everything you need FAR outweigh the plusses of swapping in a Honda engine for cheap parts? I'd think it'd cost way more than a couple grand. I'm with Matt here, man, if you want a Civic/Integra/Accord/whatever just BUY one, it'd be /way/ cheaper.

 

[1Sleepy93]

Actually James, marclar is running a Turbo'ed SPI so he has somewhere around 160-180lb/ft of torque. So I think that's what he was refering to.

 

[fordboy4ever]

What the hell was your car stock? 125 ft lbs... holy crap! a whopping 14 more than I have, and 5 less than a b18c has. I think you just had a pre-disposed opinion of what you were going to feel in the Honda when you rode in it and then stuck with that opinion.

i think you also have a pre-disposed opinion about hondas... owning one you now have more of a defend reflex when you own a car at the tip top of the civic line when 90% of the civics are lower cheaper weaker cars.

im not hating infact i was going to say before i saw your post, if you want a honda motor leave it in a honda, as much as i hate to say it hondas look WAY better than escorts. so why take a motor that would not really benifit from the swap and get stuck with a car that doesnt look as good as the one the motor came out of.

 

[FoRdEvO]

well someone .. for some reason placed in a LsVtec on an escort....well lets just say he wasnt getting any respect at all.........plus if im doing that i may aswell just slap in a AWD conversion on it or a RWD conversion on a escort ..

 

[James92Scort]

Actually James, marclar is running a Turbo'ed SPI so he has somewhere around 160-180lb/ft of torque. So I think that's what he was refering to.

I know that, but the SPI didn't come turbocharged... his comparing a stock motor vs a turbo motor is just wrong.

Turbo'ing a B series Honda motor with enough boost will achieve those kinds of numbers as well.

i think you also have a pre-disposed opinion about hondas... owning one you now have more of a defend reflex when you own a car at the tip top of the civic line when 90% of the civics are lower cheaper weaker cars.

My opinion on Honda Civic vs Escort, is and always has been. Put a high powered motor into an Escort, and it'll win everytime. Mod for mod the Escort will be cheaper and run faster. But it won't always be as reliable.

im not hating infact i was going to say before i saw your post, if you want a honda motor leave it in a honda, as much as i hate to say it hondas look WAY better than escorts. so why take a motor that would not really benifit from the swap and get stuck with a car that doesnt look as good as the one the motor came out of.

I don't know about that... I still enjoy the site of Escorts. I look at them a lot. But I do agree with you, leave a Honda motor in a Honda. Mazda motors make plenty of power, swap a GTX. 180 hp 180 ft lbs kicks ass right out of the box for 1100 bucks.

 

[fordboy4ever]

i think that ford did awesome with the front end of the escort... but there is something about the anus end of the escorts (specifically sedans, but the wagon and hatch also) which i dont find very apealing to the eye. i really like how on hondas the wheel wells are similar front to back so a drop the wheels fill the same amount. and on top of that i love the overall jdm look of the hondas...

not that i would ever own one but i feel the need to give respect where respect is due.

 

[96EscortLX]

Well, for you people bashing honda's, right now I have an escort, but I think I would really love James' car. I never use to like Honda till I drove one! I drove it just cause I had time to kill, and the need to burn some rubber, and well, I didn't wanna hurt the ZX2 or the MX6 they had there, cause I respected those cars. Well, I got in this car - most comfortable car ever. Drove this car - easiest car to drive in the world (nicest shifting 5 speed I've ever seen), and well, the power was amazing!!! I just sat there with the damn tires smoking! Untill you've had the experience of taking one of the SI's out on ur own, you don't have a clue what it's like! Right now, although I wasn't gonna say nethin, as some of you know, my escort is probably gone next week, and well, I have just got a kick ass deal on a 97 SI that I am probably gonna get - I really want the escort, but I'll have to wait to get another one in a few years (hopefully a nice GT as a fixer upper!)

As for finding cheaper parts, I wouldn't necessarily say it would be cheaper, but would be a lot easier to find. There would be some things cheaper, some more, etc........ And, well, I think it would be a pretty sweet idea, but no honda guy (other than possibly James) would give you any respect, and there's a lot of die hard Ford guys that are REALLY gonna hassle you! If you're doing it to be unique, good, for more power, probably not worth the money, but I'd say if you have the time and money, try it out and let us know!!!

 

[mp3scort]

Amazing how a simple question can draw blood from certain people

 

[Revvitupegt]

if you really plan to do this I hope you can find someone rich to finance the project because the end result wont be worth the time and money invested if it even gets finished

My opinion on Honda Civic vs Escort, is and always has been. Put a high powered motor into an Escort, and it'll win everytime. Mod for mod the Escort will be cheaper and run faster. But it won't always be as reliable.

my escort is my second and the 7th escort in my family and they have ALWAYS been reliable cars. I have friends that have gone through 2 or 3 honda' s in the 14 years I owned my 1st gen GT. 90% of the "problems" escort owners complain about are due to neglect and abuse and if you put that same person that ran his escort into the ground into a honda he will end up having the same problems with the honda.

Dont get me wrong I have nothing against honda other than their styling is probably the most boring and uninspired second only to saturn but style is a matter of taste and not eveyone has the same taste. I am also old enough to remember when hondas were one of the most poorly built unreliable cars sold in america they have come a long way since then

 

[beastscort]

WOW!!! i just remembered why i try not to post anymore. some of you ppl are INSANE. i never said anywhere in my post that i'm going to do it. F%^K honda. i was reading ANOTHER post where someone or other was talking about how amazing hondas are, but they're just going to keep driving their escort, instead of getting one. i was thinkin that maybe i could get a post started, that could convince some fool to try it. then after trying it and completing it, it might prove to 75% of the misinformed ppl on this board that any way you look at a 4cyl, it's still a 4cyl! it doesnt matter if it says honda or ford or mazda on the block or the head! What do hondas have going for them thats so amazing and makes their cars so amazing? PUBLICITY. The Fast and the Furious thats what. i bet if there was an escort in that movie, everyone would be driving one, and out runnin their 10sec qtrs with nothing more than exhaust and cai. :roll: You guys can glorify honda or downgrade ford, but in the end, virtually all of them still have 4cyls. And don't go thinkin i'm some misinformed retard either. i went to school for 2yrs on this sh%t. no offense intended to most. mysta316 ran like 12s. jeff almost runs 13s. crankors times were respectable too. virtually all of the rest of us are runnin 15s+. that sounds an awful lot like the amazing honda scene too. 3or 4cars run great. everyone else is virtually stock. that tells me that the only thing honda has on us is brainwashing. i read a post the other day that put it blunt: Honda's made everyone think swapping a motor is as easy as changing the oil." so incredibly true. sorry for the length, sorry for the insults. tired of reading the same old arguments in different posts. btw, escorts are sexy, and i own three. Not by mistake either. 8)

 

[James92Scort]

my escort is my second and the 7th escort in my family and they have ALWAYS been reliable cars. I have friends that have gone through 2 or 3 honda' s in the 14 years I owned my 1st gen GT. 90% of the "problems" escort owners complain about are due to neglect and abuse and if you put that same person that ran his escort into the ground into a honda he will end up having the same problems with the honda.

Dont get me wrong I have nothing against honda other than their styling is probably the most boring and uninspired second only to saturn but style is a matter of taste and not eveyone has the same taste. I am also old enough to remember when hondas were one of the most poorly built unreliable cars sold in america they have come a long way since then

With your reliability factor being considered, I'll have to agree with you, partly....

I've yet to get a tune up on the Si... and I've beaten the crap out of it. Runs like a champ. Only problem I've had with it is the rear driver rotor is FUBARd, and it doesn't like to start right away with less than a 1/4 tank of gas. That's it. I've owned this car for a year now.

Two years of owning the Escort I poured my paychecks into it... to mod it? no. to keep the damn motor running. It was so extremely unreliable, I'm surprised it made the 600 mile round trip to and from my family reunion in August of 03. Seriously... am I the only one who's clutch blew out 2 weeks after I bought the car? I loved that car, but it was a major PIECE...

 

[James92Scort]

WOW!!! i just remembered why i try not to post anymore. some of you ppl are INSANE. i never said anywhere in my post that i'm going to do it.

You're the one that said "that would be sweet!" You never said anywhere in your post you weren't going to do it either.

F%^K honda.

Riiiight...

i was reading ANOTHER post where someone or other was talking about how amazing hondas are, but they're just going to keep driving their escort, instead of getting one. i was thinkin that maybe i could get a post started, that could convince some fool to try it.

Do you have nothing better to do???

then after trying it and completing it, it might prove to 75% of the misinformed ppl on this board that any way you look at a 4cyl, it's still a 4cyl! it doesnt matter if it says honda or ford or mazda on the block or the head!

wtf is that supposed to mean? I've seen some pretty sick 4 cylinders.

What do hondas have going for them thats so amazing and makes their cars so amazing? PUBLICITY.

reliability? popularity? Do you realize how many motors are out there and how easy a swap or an ls/vtec head swap is easy to do? I can spend 1200 on a Honda motor and be deep into the 14s... without doing a swap.

The Fast and the Furious thats what.

Ok, the fact remains that YOU watched the movie, and YOU keep associating 90% of the hondas out there with that gay ass craptacular movie. Stop it. Just STOP IT. God I hate those movies.

i bet if there was an escort in that movie, everyone would be driving one, and out runnin their 10sec qtrs with nothing more than exhaust and cai. :roll:

I remember seeing an escort in a movie, the movie was the Rock, and Sean Connery smashed the living hell out of it with a Humvee.

You guys can glorify honda or downgrade ford, but in the end, virtually all of them still have 4cyls.

All Escorts (stock) had 4 cylinders. Not all Hondas had 4 cylinders. Nobody here downgraded Ford... I simply stated that my car was a POS.

And don't go thinkin i'm some misinformed retard either. i went to school for 2yrs on this sh%t. no offense intended to most.

No offense taken... but I still have no idea what the hell the point of this is??? went to school on what?

mysta316 ran like 12s. jeff almost runs 13s. crankors times were respectable too. virtually all of the rest of us are runnin 15s+.

545hpGT ran 11.22s... you forgot him, and I have a video of a ZX2 running 12s as well.

that sounds an awful lot like the amazing honda scene too. 3or 4cars run great. everyone else is virtually stock.

Someone needs to venture over to www.hondaswap.com and www.honda-tech.com before he assumes he knows what he's talking about with the "amazing honda scene."

that tells me that the only thing honda has on us is brainwashing. i read a post the other day that put it blunt: Honda's made everyone think swapping a motor is as easy as changing the oil." so incredibly true.

That would be because... well it IS true. Swapping the motor physically is about as easy as dropping a 2.0 SPI into a 2G LX chassis and bolting everything on... The wiring is a different story though, especially if you're going from obdI to 2a/b.

sorry for the length, sorry for the insults. tired of reading the same old arguments in different posts.

what insults? All I see is misinformed opinions. It's all good.

btw, escorts are sexy, and i own three. Not by mistake either. 8)

werd.