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So I'm thinking of getting a new car in the spring. Relax, I'm not getting rid if the RallyeScort. I just need a 2nd car to drive whilst I repair/modify the scort. Anyway, I had a T-Bird SC for 3 years and I really loved it. Howver, I drive 75 miles/day for work, and the 18-23 MPG (on a GOOD day) doesn't seem to make much sense. Like I said, though, I really LOVED the car. My other option is a Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS. I know it's a completely different animal than the 'Bird, but I think it gets 25-28 MPG highway.

Does anyone here have any first-hand experience with the RS? Driveability? Reliability? Mileage? Handling? Power/weight issues? I'm looking for as much real-world info as I can get to help in my decision making. Please don't tell me to google for RS sites, I'm looking for info from my Escort brethren.
 

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"I just need a 2nd car to drive whilst I repair/modify the scort."

Dude... if I had enough money to get a 2.5RS, I'd sell the scort. The 2.5RS is way more worthy of your time and money than the escort.

Once you try AWD, you can't go back. The grip and control is so much better than our escorts...
 

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Siragan,
The point ISN'T to replace the Escort. I need another car so I can repair the oil burn problem and gut the car so I can get it set up for weekend rallyeing. I understand that either choice is better than a 14 year old Escort, but I still have use for this car. Wifey says I can't race the Escort unless I have something else to drive (in case the Escort gets really F'd up in the process).
 

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subaru transmissions don't like first gear abuse at all.. they tend to blow out 1st and/or 2nd gear whenever driven hard or raced.. and i've never heard of subaru covering this under warranty. ever. :) so go easy in first, and on the 1-2 shift, everything'll be fine. like i said, go easy in first gear, and they're awesome awesome cars.
 

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I fell in love with the 2.5 RS, much more so than the WRX despite the horsepower difference. Almost had an opportunity to buy one. We were shopping for me a car early on after just having been married and I needed the wife to cosign. But she (at the time) didn't care for all the hood scoops and the big wing. Mind you, this was near the start of the SCC scene and the RS was the new big dog on the road - big wings had yet to seriously appear.

Now every other car has a huge wing. We'll soon be shopping again for a new ride. I'm thinking Infiniti G35, Audi A4, Subaru Legacy.

The 2.5 RS looks the business just sitting still. Of course, that's just styling subjectivity, I have no experience with how they work in the 'real world'.
 

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Humm....My friend used to have a Subaru WRX...and he sold it because it was consuming too much gaz....a WRX Is not an economic car....

It's a 4 cylinders yes...buts its awd ans its turboed....2 main factor for a crappy gaz mileage...and also..the car is so awesome to drive that you'll beat the shit out of it when driving so your gaz consomation will go up! !!!

if you want a daily car...dont buy a turboed car...if you want to take good care of your care your need to start your car...and then let it warm up...then go...and then when you stop you need to let it cool off...and then stop...cauz if you dont do this..you might crack your turbo exhaust manifold pretty quick...especially when its cold at night and if you had fun beating the sh*t out of your car on the way home..and i tell ya...a WRX is the best thing to get speeding tickets.....you just cant stop speeding with that thing..its so nice..
 

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if you want something that gets insane mileage, I just bought a festiva which I had to give to my sister, and I really really liked it. If you cut down the suspension and gut it out, not only does it get INSANELY good gas mileage (an easy 40mpg... you can squeeze out 45 or 46 if you do it right)... but it's also deceptively fast. It doesn't feel like you're going fast or that you're accelerating, but before you know it, you're going fast.

It's unlike any car I've ever driven. The response of any input to the car is instantaneous. The brakes are the most noticable part. Even though the brakes are crappy and such, the modulation and feel is superb and the car is so much eaiser to stop and control than any car I've driven before. The only problem I see in it is that the CG is a little too high up. Other than that, I really really liked as a daily econo box. Tons of fun to drive. I'd definetly buy another one for myself if I weren't saving up for the turbo GT project.

Anyway... that's my 2.
 

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Hey siragan are you posting on FordFestiva.com??????? if not i highly suggest you jump over there and check it out. I too have recently bought a festiva and i am currently undergoing the all famous 1.6 mazda b6t motor swap from a 323 gt to the festiva. Not only is the car fun to drive with the petty 60 hp that it came with it will be a lot better with about 160 hp. HEEE HEEE. Hope to see you there.
 

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A 2.5 RS is a very nice car.. in fact, the GC-8 impreza ('92-'01) will probably be considered one of the ultimate boy racer cars of the last century and their value reflects that.

New Subaru parts are expensive.. and bolt-on mods are even more so. The good thing is, the suspension and drivetrain are the same in the legacys (outback, GT up to 97', all after '98), foresters (all) and the 2.5RS, so finding used parts isn't all that difficult.

There have been some issues with head gasket failures on the 2.5L (ej25) engines, nothing I'd really get too worried about, but you have to realize the ej25 engine has some rather large pistons (you can't exactly stroke out a boxer engine and expect it to still fit between the fenders) and there isn't much space between the cylinder walls.

The '98 was the only year the DOHC engine was used.. that's 4 belt-driven camshafts on the H4.. a real pain if anything breaks.

The SOHC versions ('99-'01) use wishbone shaped rocker arms (just like in the ej22) and still have 16 valves. If you're planning on building up a motor for high RPM use and some real power, you should start with the DOHC.. otherwise avoid it.

The MY02 impreza (the newer ones) weighs about 300lbs more than the GC-8, all in the name of stiffness. The GC-8 was already a fairly stiff car though, so don't worry about it being at all weak. The newer 2.5RS uses the same SOHC engine as the previous one, but has all that extra weight to carry around. You can expect a road ready GC-8 to weigh in just under 3000lbs.. with a fat midrange powerband and strong pull to redline, you won't fail to be impressed by the power, despite the 'low' 165hp figure.

My dad's '98 Forester (which is built off of the GC-8 platform and uses the DOHC ej25 motor), has gotten over 35mpg on the highway and is fast enough (with manual trans) on backroads to be scary. .. and it weighs about 200lbs more and is much less aerodynamic.

Subaru's always have excellent steering, IMHO, so cruising and bahnstorming are both fun and easy.

Like Tito said, you have to be somewhat easy on the tranny. It's actually a fairly robust transmission and can handle over 300hp, but you don't want to abuse it with the AWD grip, because it will be the first thing to go. You can buy the Group N engine and tranny mounts from Boxer 4 Racing and there are several good shortshift kits out there (like the Kartboy) which will help keep miss-shifts and abuse low.

Electronikal, most people blame the turbo for the poor gas mileage in the WRX. It's the low compression motor that's at fault. Turbo DSMs (Eclipses/Talons) get much better gas mileage than the WRX because they use higher compression motors. They're more limited in stock form when it comes to upping the boost, unlike the WRX which can handle quite a bit more right out of the box.
.. and I agree.. they're way too much fun to drive slowly.

Now that I've given you my scort-ist's $.02, check out:
North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club for some active subaru forums and more detailed information,
and
Subaru Review for an idea of aftermarket parts prices and a large user photo gallery.

BTW: the upcoming Legacy GT is going to rock.. I'm seriously thinking about purchasing one. (I'd keep the scort for autox and utility use, of course)
 

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Thanks for all the info Beav...the most helpful so far.

Just to clarify, the Impreza wouldn't be for modifying. That's why I need a good/cool/fun/fast car out of the blocks. The idea is to NOT modify it so I can go ballzout with the RallyeScort!!
 
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