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i hate to say it, but we as well are animals, and we must in turn.. eat..

you cant tell a wolf pack not to hunt and to be a vegitarian, cuz i dont think that would go over too well.. I agree they are treated VERY badly, but the circle of life continues.

nice find by the way.. way to bring awareness up
 

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i gotta agree with nuke on this one, its the circle of life, they treat those animals like crap. and where did you find that, its pretty bad to think of everything that way, but we gotta eat right?
 

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Very good "sick" video. I stopped when I saw the guy slam the pig on the ground by his legs. I agree that we got to eat but the people doing this really have no heart...

But I understand in a sence, let's say they were all nicely treated they would still die for "eating purpose" and it would cost a fortune to make them live a nice full life.

It's just sick!
 

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There's a really high propoganda factor with Peta.

Alec Baldwin: "After being genetically manipulated and fed anti-biotics to promote rapid growth[...]"

Okay, each chicken in not genetically manipulated, and anti-biotics don't help promote rapid growth (that would be steroids) :roll: There are efforts to enhance chicken genetics to raise healthier (ie: less prone to disease) more meaty birds. This means less chickens and more meat (which is a very good thing in the context of killing things). In Peta's eyes it's evil :roll: This is just an example.. I don't feel like sorting through the whole thing, I trust you guys to smell the bull***t for yourselves.

My dad works for one of the premier chicken industry research firms. He builds "in-egg" innoculation machines. The reason they've developed this expensive technology is because the less stress you put on livestock, the better they grow.

All of these examples are extremes... animals that get beaten don't grow as well, they don't produce as much profit (and we all know $$ makes the world go round). I urge you to actually visit a farm or a slaughterhouse to see for yourself, in an unbiased way. Of course, slaughterhouses aren't pleasant.

They show the cows at slaughter, dangling from the ropes while their blood drains. I suppose Peta would like to take issue with wolves chasing large herd animals through the woods until they bleed to death from jugular tears, :roll: . C'mon people, slaughter ain't pretty, it's not supposed to be, otherwise killing would be easy. If it's hard to watch an animal die, as God intended it, then everything is fine with the world.

The way Peta rags on the dairy industry gets me really really :evil: My mother grew up on a dairy farm, and I've visited several on many occasions. The cows are about as happy as they'll ever get. They have a warm barn to stand in when it's cold outside, and they have large pastures to roam when it's nice out. They come in to their stantions as a herd (they are a herd animal after all) and wait to be milked, with nothing more than a whistle from the farmer. Each day the cow is looked over for any signs of sickness or injury, and the rest of the day the cow is allowed to be a cow.

The veal thing gets a little blown out of proportion.. there are good veal farms and there are bad ones... Peta wants you to believe it's all bad.

Pig farms I do take issue with myself. Pigs are extremely intelligent animals, and they are often raised, as depicted, in tiny stantions set up in rows, with very little mental stimulation. If Peta would urge you to only eat "Happy Pork" (something I made up, but makes perfect sense) instead of urging you to stop eating pork altogether, then some headway might be made. The less demand there is for pork, the more pigs a farmer needs (and less farmers) to make the same profit.. which means smaller stantions... not happier ones.

In short, I don't think any of the animals in the video should be treated so poorly by the farmers/handlers.. but I think Peta is more interested in you not eating meat, than actually doing anything to revolutionize animal cruelty laws. Visit a farm and find out for yourself.
 

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well I didn't watch the video... there is only so much junk you can watch in a day.

so here is my take.

I think you should drop PETA members in the jungle or deserts of africa and I bet it takes them 30 seconds to decide maybe there really is a food chain.... and we aren't at the top!

Now having said that I think everyone should strive to treat these animals as humanly as possible. We get our food in nice plastic wrapped packages so we never really see what it is we are eating. Hell there is nothing gross about turkey you buy for thanksgiving. I bet if you raised it yourself and then had to butcher/clean/feather it you would appreciate what you eat a lot more.

I make a habbit of buying as much food as I can from organic type places. I have it easy, my local grocery store carries a lot of stuff I normally buy from organic suppliers. They even have red meat that has been raised with no chemicals or hormones or anything like that. It costs a little more but the quality and taste is better and very worth it in my oppinion.

Like beaverboy says most livestock does much better when they are happy. So from what I've seen farmers are really trying to adapt to the new way of thinking. I realize that isn't exactly new. But the whole organic movement is and that is a lot more than just making them physically happy. When things are done in a more natural way the tend to be better for you as well. For example Eggs the basterd of most "health experts" when they come from range fed chickens have a lot of Omega 3 fatty acids (that is also what makes salmon so good for you) . Which are really good for you. Especially your heart and blood system.

I think the food industry is changing and I'm glad to see it. I hope you all will take that video for what its worth. Realize who it came from. Then be aware of what you are eating and how it came to be on your plate. If you don't buy from someone that has a bad rep then eventually they will either get the picture of go out of business.
 

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(Disclaimer: I am not trying to preach here, just sharing my thoughts and beliefs.)

I enjoy eating meat (you ALMOST have to, being from Oklahoma and living in Texas). You will probably never hear me speak on the behalf of PETA or any the other "tree huggers" (as they are so fondly called in certain parts). As an American, I will defend their right to say whatever they think is necessary, though I will not normally agree with their solutions to certain problems. BUT, I do completely agree with them on one thing. We (humans) do need to be responsible with the animals under our care. We don't have the right to abuse them. We do, contrary to many animal rights activist's beliefs, have the right to use them to meet our needs, whatever those needs may be. If you need to move some spotted owls to finish a highway, CAREFULLY move some owls. If you need to kill a dog because it is trying to hurt a person, kill a dog and save the person. However, when we ABUSE animals, we abuse our God given right to rule over them.

Genesis Chapter 1

26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [2] and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
 

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This has been a contentious subject in the UK for years. One point I would make though is that the feeding of dead poultry mixed with cereals, in the form of cattle cubes, is now widely believed to be the main cause of BSE (mad cow disease). I saw a documentary, made by the BBC using undercover cameras, where the poultry corpses were being loaded on to lorries, together with the chicken s.... (excrement) they were amalgamated with. They were driven directly to a well-known animal feed company to be 'processed.' Everyone knows cattle (excluding pigs) are vegetarians, so how sick is that!

I'm not a veggie neither am I a 'yoghurt knitter!' I do, however, draw the line at shipping live animals all over mainland Europe from farms in the UK as far away as Scotland, when we have perfectly reasonable (in most cases) slaughterhouses in this country. The only reason they are shipped 'on the hoof,' is so that they can be sold as 'home killed.'

As to the rearing of calves for veal - in order to render the 'end product' suitable, the animals have to be held in 'crushes' to prevent the meat from becoming tough; they have to be fed unsuitable (for them) food in order to maintain the texture required by the customer; they have to be bled to death in order to retain the 'whiteness' of the meat. I do NOT eat white veal!

Of course sheep are stunned with electrodes before having their throats slit: it is a pity that because the wool is not conductive and not enough has been sheared from the head area before sending to slaughter, a high percentage are still fully conscious during the entire proceedings. I could go on and on and on, but there'd be no point because we all want cheap, food, easily available and there are plenty of meat producers only too glad to oblige.
 

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People need to be informed, as the world is not a prefect place. Most of us just coast through life as Zombies.

I can only show you the door; you have to take the leap. - heheheh :oops:
 

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People need to be informed, as the world is not a prefect place. Most of us just coast through life as Zombies.

I can only show you the door; you have to take the leap. - heheheh :oops:
and whats wrong with that? I would rather live my life not knowing about this and die happy because your never going to be able to stop it....you could spend your whole life trying to stop it and get nothing accomplished and you'd die knowing you didnt do anything to help.........besides this is feoa.net not peta or any other animal.net :x
 

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Ahh, but there are things you can do. There are many orginizations that take donations. Say what you will about Peta, but when it comes to getting things done, nobody beats 'em. They got Ringling Bros. busted for abusing the animals, they forced major chains like burger king, mcdonalds, and wendy's to change they're vendors to ones with good reputations, and they've pretty much dwindled the fur industry down to a couple of wanna-be pimps. Pretty good work if you ask me.
If i had the willpower, i'd turn vegetarian. Not only is it good for the cows, but it's damn good for people to, alot healthier. Red meat is a huge factor in hypertension, high cholesterol, etc. Basicly its your hearts enemy. (not to mention your colons :? BTW, about the wolf analogy.... your forgetting one thing. The wolf is a strict carnivor. Humans are omnivores. Not only this, but we have the intelligence to make a decision. Wolves do not. We can decide to stop eating meat. The wolf can't. Also, about the jungle analogy. When it comes to death, survival instinct takes over and we will do anything it takes to survive, which includes resorting to eating other people.

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ford escort owners association........not animal non eaters association.........and how is this in general discussion shouldnt it be in off topic? Thats what happens when you take away off topic from being in the top 25 people just post wherever it will show up :banghead:
 

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Sigh...

Baldwin can blow me. Hell...so can PETA. They're a bunch of whiney right wing hypoctrites.

Why don't we just have Baldwin tickle all of our cattle to death? That way, they all die happy, and he's actually doing something for his cause aside from complaining. Idiots...
 

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Baldwin is a communist prick so it doesn't surprise me with anything he says. He's the one that said if Bush got elected he would move to another country, but yet he is still here (can't believe they gave him a part in "Pearl Harbor"). :roll: Most of those Hollywood blowhards have nothing better to do than to stir up s***! You know, if you want to cook a nice thick steak then by all means do it, if not then don't. It's a free country to do what you want....but sometimes people take things too far.
 

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Rascal: You have point. If everyone gave up eating meat, there would be no farm animals for the animal lovers to argue over. BUT - the fact that we eat meat, should NOT mean we should treat them badly for the short time they are permitted to live. After all, we are supposed to differ from other animals, in that we have a superior intellect - I sometimes wonder! :?
 
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