Discussion in '1st Gen 1981-1990 CVH' started by ricksgt, May 9, 2020.
What I wouldn't do for the street version!!
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EXP promods are more common then you think. But oddly they is not much anything about them online.
Not sure if there was a street version!
And technically is an EXP an Escort?
Austin86 is right about the lack of info on the internet. To get this information look for and buy the mid '80s Ford SVO publications on ebay etc.
I know a lot about them, just don't know much about their stats and specs. Got Ford literature on the whole Budweiser King team but nothing on Blue Max. There's a lot out there on Glidden's car on forums, think there is a forum dedicated to him and his followers. Once I do all the research and double check everything I'll add a section to the EXP/LN7 Wikipedia page - I write most of it and update it regularly since there's no EXP/LN7 forum anymore
Joey the EXP VS Escort thing is interesting to say the least, it's partly why I love them so much because they're unique and far more rare. Under the skin they are Escorts, sharing every mechanical part and many body & interior parts (most are modified though as the EXP has a different roof line, rear quarters, and hatch/trunk.
Think how the Tempo differs from the Escort, same skeleton but a different shell.
In 1986 EXPs got the smoothed-over front fascia identical to the Escorts so Ford dubbed them "Escort EXP"s. From 1983-1985 Ford considered them different vehicles, even on the VINs yet insurance and DMVs often consider all EXPs "Escorts" or "Escort EXP"s.
Thanks for the info. You are quite right, cars are often very much basically the same but technically a different make. For instance the second generation Mercury Tracers are slight variants of Escorts, but nonetheless a different make.
The '80s SVO catalogs will give part numbers for obscure High Performance CHV engine parts etc. but those numbers often give zero results when searched online.
Yep, just copy and paste all those part numbers onto a document. Very effective to type those into eBay, Facebook, Google, etc. once a month. Only issue is you have to beat me to them!! lol
Well I'm in Canada, and most sellers won't ship bigger items here, so you are safe.
I'd still like to know more about the "European" cylinder head for instance, because I may visit Austria in a year or two and would have a chance to visit some junkyards and flea markets (if such things exist there).
If flea markets ever reopen.....
I'm very interested in the Euro head vs North American head because my Ford literature says the Euro heads flow 10% better or something like that. But Ford also said in my literature somewhere that the Turbo heads are comparable to the Euro heads but the holy grail of CVH cylinder head posts says they're all the same.....
I'll pop my Turbo and EFI HO motors apart this summer to get a good comparison analysis on video between ALL my CVH heads:
1.6s of various years
Just need to get a Euro head someday
I seen the EXP with the CFI motor referred to as Escort EXP, but oddly they did not do the same on HO models. Or at lest none of the 86+ EXP's I seen with an HO were titled or have Escort EXP bagging. How ever I'm sure you seen far more EXPs then I have.
The actual badging on the trunk lid may vary but they were only advertised as the "Escort EXP" come 1986 with the 2 trim levels below that (Sport Coupe & Luxury Coupe). Titles, registration, and insurance all seem to have them as "Escort EXP"s too but can vary too of course.
Actually EXPs & LN7s are so rare (only 265k ever made, assume >10% have survived) I've only seen 11 in person, 9 of which reside in my possession. Coincidentally ALL are 1st gens (82-85), I'm excited to someday soon see my first 2nd gen. I know my 82 vs 83 vs 84 vs 85 cars VERY well but my 86-88 knowledge is half that - or less lol
I would use the term early and late first generation, as the second generation Escorts are usually considered the '91 to '96 models.
I have never even seen and recognized an EXP. But I only became interested in these cars about twelve years ago, when most were already gone.
The Escort gen system is quite flawed and you see it best when putting the EXPs into the mix because of the big changes across the entire board in 1984 due to the addition of the Tempo and everything required to update all Escorts to match the Tempo parts, then even bigger changes in 1986 when the 1.9 emerged and body parts changed drastically before everything but the mechanical parts changed in the 89-90 Escorts.
I'd love to see the system go as followed:
81-83: Gen 1.0 = MK1
84-85: Gen 1.2 = MK2
86-88: Gen 1.5 = MK3
89-90: Gen 1.7 = MK4
91-96: Gen 2.0 = MK5
97-03: Gen 3.0 = MK6
Sadly that doesn't do anything for the Tempo chronology where their gens are as followed:
All the same platform yet so much confusion lol
Check out the other Fords of the past too, "gen"s fail across the board lol
I prefer the MK system, our Euro counterparts have nearly perfected it where almost every facelift starts the next "MK". But if that's what we used we'd have to change it because our 1st Escort was their 3rd variation.
Thanks for that list. I am not familiar at all with the Tempos, but it would seem they were very similar to Escorts and could have V6 engines?
But using the Mark system might confuse the cars with the English Escorts.
Right, that's the biggest issue I see with it. Think tank grows bigger lol
Yeah the Tempos are just Escorts with different bodies, same mechanically (besides engine options). And later models had 3.0 Vulcan V6s just like Taurus's and many came as 5-speeds so some 80s Escorts & one special LN7 have been 3.0 swapped. Direct swap if you have a V6 Tempo parts car laying around. It's said to be much more worthwhile than doing the 2.3OHV swap, but not sure if it's worth the trouble if you have access to everything needed to turbo a CVH (which makes the same/more power as the Vulcan when done right).
This means you can SHO swap but the SHO physically doesn't fit up front in Escorts without a serious front frame redesign, but there's plenty of room between the rear strut towers
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