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1993 ford escort lx to durateck
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False.
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maybe from a consumer perspective. I'd suggest working on them 10 hrs a day for 5 years. Then see how your opinion changes.
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well that is a very small sample group.
same with the 4.0 sohc,.. 4.6 and 5.4, littered with issues.
not to mention 6.0 6.4 6.7 diesels. junk. although you will get a gazillion people say 'well i've never had an issue' there is a much larger selection of failures. ford forgot how to build an engine around 2000.
same with the 4.0 sohc,.. 4.6 and 5.4, littered with issues.
not to mention 6.0 6.4 6.7 diesels. junk. although you will get a gazillion people say 'well i've never had an issue' there is a much larger selection of failures. ford forgot how to build an engine around 2000.
I've been working on cars professionally for around 7 years and the 3.0L V6 and 4 cylinder Duratec motors are pretty much bullet proof. I've only ever seen one major issue with the 3.0L and it was because the customer ran it low on oil. I wish Ford found a way to put that engine in place of every single 4.0L SOHC and 3.8L. I've also NEVER had to do any major work on the 4 cylinder variants. Supposedly, the 2.3L varents like to randomly start burning a ton of oil but I haven't personally seen that happen. Just don't loosen the crank pulley without knowing what you're doing.
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everyone has their own unique experience. I worked at a dealership that had that brand back when those were produced. Constantly in and out everyday with those things. I actually refuse to work on all ford products in my private home shop these days. unless its an escort of course.
Our Lincoln LS has the 3.0 V6 (and a Getrag 221 5 speed). I don't care for the way the intake manifold lays over the right side spark plugs but it has 220,000 miles on it. Another fellow on LS group has 330,000 on his. Escorts are more fun to drive though.
And I have said so on the LS site. I should also say that Escorts are waaay easier to work on and simpler.
Dealerships tend to taint your experience. No matter what brand you work for, their products suck. Not to mention, a lot of the repairs are under warranty. What happens after the warranty expires is what matters to most people. That said, as an independent mechanic I've seen far more issues with GM and Chrysler's 3.6L V6s and GM's 2.4L I4 than I EVER have with a Ford Duratec.
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pentastar has its share of oil cooler issues, I actually stock all those parts in my shop. super easy though. TBH all I work on in my shop is jeep, dodge, gm, hyundai, honda for the most part. april will be the 3rd year I started working for myself. the gm 3.6 is riddled with issues which is definitely not debatable, ecotec engines are 50/50. compare them to the ecoboost, wow what a pile of crap those are. almost every one of them either needs a new engine or major engine work at around 75k. turbos last 30k if you are lucky. but thats right at par with all of fords products these days.
Oil cooler issues on the Pentastar is somewhat minor. I'm thinking of the cylinder head and cam follower issues. It's unreal the number of times we've steered Caravan owners back to the dealer for the extended warranty on cylinder heads. I had the displeasure of having to do one of those cylinder heads in a RAM Promaster ambulance, twice because the valve stuck open on the repaired head during a test drive! I haven't personally seen an Ecoboost need major work without over 100K miles on the clock, that includes turbos. Now the 1.4L Ecotec, what a piece of trash that is. I've never seen an engine go through coolant, turbos, valve covers, and intake manifolds like those things do.
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thats all easy stuff though. the first gen heads did have issues, and were covered by the warranty extension. luckily for me during my dealer days I was the electrical guy so I didn't have to deal with that issue. but now, its eazy peasy work from home. heres one I just did. honestly all manufacturers have their issues, I'd personally rather work on anything but fords. their designs are just poor and its a challenge to work on them.
There is no way IN HELL that I would want to do one of those at home, especially without a lift. Oh yeah, the one I did wasn't covered by the warranty extension. For some reason, the Promaster was excluded at the time while the Caravans and other FCA products were covered. We even called the dealer for the customer and had them run the VIN, not covered.
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ya no way, I dont do anything I dont absolutely have to without my lift. that ground working stuff is for plebs lol. but hey man, for $140 an hr I find myself doing things I dont really want to do.. sort of sucks, but promaster is a different faction than normal fca. sold under the same flag but totaly different company. I left the dealer right about the time they came out.
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GM can't build an OHC engine to save their life. Quad4, family II could make power but were ticking time bombs.
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truth in that statement. I can't even recall the last time I saw a quad 4, seems like every manufacturer has its limitations on what it can build. ford forgot how to build an engine around 2002.
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