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1.9L remanufactured engine for my 1987?

Discussion in '1st Gen 1981-1990 CVH' started by Wagonguy, Jan 13, 2020.

  1. Wagonguy

    Wagonguy FEOA Member

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    I just joined this group, and have posted in the introduction/new member section. Short story is that I have a 1987 Escort Station Wagon, that was partially mechanically disassembled back in about 2006, and the previous owner also purchased a wrecking-yard engine for it at that time. The engine has sat outside, under a tarp, since then, so in all likely hood it would probably have to be torn down and refreshed at the very least.

    That being the case, I was wondering what the cost might be to have that engine gone through. I will start checking in my local area once I figure out who to talk to. But I was also looking around for remanufactured engines, and came across an Ebay listing for Motorcraft remanufactured engines, which I will link to here:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/1987-90-FO...088003?hash=item23aced4c03:g:B7sAAOSwVcZb6xl5

    They are asking $1,100 for the engine, plus a $200 or so delivery fee. So the first question is, does that sound like a reasonable cost? My only experience in this arena is when I had a 1960 Chevy six cylinder rebuilt locally about 12 years ago. That was about $3,000!

    The second question is regarding the engine they are selling. That is, whether or not it would fit my 1987. The one pictured has an engine casting number of E8EE, and a cylinder head casting number of RFE8EE -A7A. So they were cast in 1988. From what I've been able to find here and other places, the engine should fit my car all right. In fact, the information in the posting about Cylinder heads makes it sound like it would have the roller cam. I don't know if that is a plus or not. But I thought it would be best to check here before buying something like that.

    Thanks for any advice!
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    Regarding the spare engine, I have successfully used an engine that had been stored outside by spraying penetrating oil in the cylinders, and then getting it to turn over either with a bar on the ring gear or applying compressed air to a cylinder or two, or both.

    I then installed the engine and ran it for several years with no issues before it started smoking.
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  3. Wagonguy

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    Thanks Joey. I am of two minds about it. I've thought of doing what you have done, but the fact that it came from a wrecking yard over 12 years ago kind of worries me. It certainly would be less expensive to just use it if possible. Not sure what I'll do at this point.
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    All you have to lose is time by swapping in the old engine "as is", but that can be a lot of time.
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    Sitting outside for more than a year would concern me too. I am able to take the engines apart, and have a cantilever hoist for getting them out of or back into an engine bay, an am retired (so plenty of time). The main thing I would worry about would be the amount of corrosion on the cylinder walls (as at least one cylinder would have had an intake or exhaust valve slightly open), plus the condition of the piston rings. I have 'rebuilt' several of the 1.9L engines, and was always glad to remove old piston rings, clean the charred oil out of the grooves and install new rings' especially oil control rings. But that also implies getting the cylinders honed to work with the new rings. And doing such a rebuild job with the engine out of the car, gives you the benefit of access. I also replace the core plugs on an engine as old as the ones in our Escorts. The largest of the five freeze plugs is located on the end of the block facing the transmission. It can only be replaced with the flywheel (of flexplate) removed. Its 2-3/16" I think. The other four on the block are all 1-3/8". Also much easier to reach with the engine sitting on a workbench - or even on the floor. Same thing for putting on a new timing belt and tensioner, and a water pump. I never changed an oil pump, just used them as they were.
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    austin86 That nut who spends way to much on a escort.

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    Is that an HO head in the ebay listing?
    That being sad you would likely have less in rebuilding the engine you have now.
  7. Wagonguy

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    Thanks for the comments everyone.

    austin86 - I am not sure how to tell if the head in the Ebay listing is an HO head. Pretty new to all of the Escort details, and have not spent the time reviewing information here that I want to do. Nice to know that it would probably be less expensive to just rebuild this wrecking yard engine that I have! I also have the original engine from the car which could be rebuilt. The original block is still in the engine compartment. The guy I bought it from took the original head off, but we cannot find it in his stash of stuff. There is a wrecking yard head for an 87 Escort sitting in his garage, however. So I effectively have two engines that I could work with and/or rebuild already.

    denisond3 - I am retired, too, and so have the time available to work on this existing engine. However, I have never disassembled and reassembled an engine, so am not experienced in all the steps involved. I understand the theory, but have zero experience. I may be able to call upon people that I know who have done this before, though. Good tip on the freeze plugs, and the location of the largest one behind the flex plate! Thanks for that!
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    austin86 That nut who spends way to much on a escort.

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    I'm a little fuzzy on the casting number of remanufactured heads. If its an HO you will need the HO intake, fuel injection system and ECU/wiring as a cfi intake will not fit that head.

    I also have a 1.9 cfi motor that had a 100k miles when pulled. If your anywhere near central Ohio its yours for the price of scrap if you need it. Just come pick it up.
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    Thanks for the input! I didn't pick up on the fact that the HO head would not accept the CFI intake. I will just stay with the CFI system, rather than try to upgrade.

    I'm afraid that I am in Washington State, so cannot easily take you up on your generous offer of the engine. Drat! That would be a good deal!
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    If you get the Ford Escort/Tracer Service Manual for the year of the engine you will be rebuilding, or the year of the car, they are very comprehensive - and have lists of instructions for removing a head, removing an engine, doing all the other work. I got one for each year of Escorts that I have (91,92,93,94, and 95), from ebay. Some of them for less than $25. They make all the other cars manual seem second-rate. I would not buy a Haynes or Chilton manual, as they are not specific enough. The Ford Manuals even had full instructions for rebuilding the automatic transmissions, as well as the 5-speed transmissions, for both the LX version, and the GT version. (Yes, the manual transmission are different inside.)

    And we will be glad to give free advice. Worth it too!

    A nice feature of rebuilding a 1.9L engine, is that each of the assemblies (head, manifolds, block, crank and rods) can be carried around in your hands. I rebuilt a Chev 350 V8 - where almost nothing was that light!
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    Hi Joey -
    So the head on the Motorcraft remanufactured engine is "correct" for my 1987? If I read the information in that sticky post correctly, the only difference between it and the head that was probably on my car originally, is that the RFE8EE -A7A head would have a roller cam and lifters.
    Here are pictures from the Ebay listing, showing the head intake ports:
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    Definitely oval shaped.
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    austin86 That nut who spends way to much on a escort.

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    Someone correct me if I'm worng, but shouldn't there not be a coolant passthrough between the 4 cylinders on a non ho head?
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    Yep, from the "Guide to First Generation Heads" it looks like the E8 head is a functionally correct head for that engine, except it is upgraded for a roller camshaft and has an incorrect part number.

    It also looks like the heads should have the square coolant hole in the middle.
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    Thanks Joey!
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    You're welcome!

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