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1.9 performance question

Discussion in 'Engine Tuning' started by THEHULKISBETTER, Jun 18, 2012.

  1. THEHULKISBETTER

    THEHULKISBETTER FEOA Member

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    well any way it was fun raisin hell with you guys ,,hope ya dont hate me , i was just board hehehehe but i been thinkin about a 1.9 spi hybrid with a turbo
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    that would be bored..........not board... ;o)
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    ehheeh sorry i like bein a shit head sum times lol
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    only sometimes?!?..... really?......... dude either be the biggest a hole you can or don't....... it is like the guy that smokes then quits,..... nobody likes a quiter.
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    sorry man i can;t I actually like what i read on here ,, but i do find it entertaining occasionally lol ;)
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    quiter...... :lol:
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    lol ill raise h-e-l-l later mane
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    Ah ... but at least he uses full words, spelling and some punctuation.

    How old are you and who would employ you?
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    1991–1996 1.9 L (1,859 cc) CVH I4, 88 hp (66 kW) 108 ft·lbf (146 N·m)
    1991–1996 1.8 L (1,839 cc) Mazda BP I4, 127 hp (95 kW) 114 ft·lbf (155 N·m) LX-E and GT
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    I have done a few mods to my 1.9 I would like to think I have at least added 20hp.
    Ported plenum, p&p tb, custom Cai, full pacesetter race exhaust, removed ac, and a massive weight redux. Cop setup is my next mod.
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    Actually, I think a good flowing filter may give 5HP-ish, I certainly felt the difference with an airhog panel replacement and snorkel crop on mine.

    The mistake many make with filters on these is buggering up the MAF flow, either with kookie short rams that put it too close to the TB or with piping ahead of it that makes flow turbulent, or they overoil filters and gum it up...

    Now I had heard the K&N panel made negligible gains, but then I had also heard that K&N don't necessarily perform unless made for a performance model, there's some that have been worse than stock until some owners club got on their case about it.... so.. I went for the airhog, which as I said, seemed noticable...

    Want to do further mods to the airbox/intake though, waiting to get a spare one.

    I put that on before I ported the head.

    I blew the HG a while back, so thought, what the hell, gotta port this sucker, I say it's a stage 2ish/3ish PnP, because I did some valve mods but haven't put a cam in it. I deshrouded the valves and rounded and polished the chamber. worked on the sharp corners in the turn out of the exhaust port, and rounded out the bowl in the intake. Didn't open up the intake size much, but massaged, deaseamed and tweaked the sltock swirl design. I think people make a mistake in trying to get rid of it or override it. So I brained out what it was trying to do, and made it do it harder and better. Used a lot of "tricks" to trip and turn flow where it was meant to go. Valve mod was a back cut and turbulation groove to bend flow round the valve. Along with hand blending the seat angles.

    Well end result of that is that it seems to run with EGTs and SPIs, oddly, butt dyno "feel" went away. I attribute this to taking the lumps out of the power curve, it's just steady methinks. However, it now only takes 8 seconds to hit 60 in a wagon... and will hang with stock 15 second cars from a light... This thing flows, because in 1st gear it's still pulling to 7500 without perceptible float (slight reduction of valve weight, and large reduction of valve drag is my theory on that)

    BUT, I do have work to do on the induction and exhaust, apart from the filter it's stock. I had raised compression to about 11:1 and was having problems with it burning up plugs and wires.. I finally got the wires sorted with NGKs and the plugs just a few months back with E3s for the 1st gen turbo application. That solved lag hiccups and part throttle stumbles finally, so when I hit the pedal it goes every time, instead of 50/50 chance of a bog and splutter.

    I believe however fueling is inadequate as it starts to sing like it's leaning at high RPM. Also in cold weather it complains about not being able to get the pulse width high enough.

    Another issue is that it doesn't pull as hard at WOT as it does at about 3/4 or so, which means I'm getting exhaust restriction... BUT the times when I've had the muffler off (and one time a cherry bomb on temporarily) or the pipe open, it has not pulled as hard... which leads me to think the cat is holding it back, and that it needs a full pipe on to create enough suction momentum to haul exhaust through the cat (or maybe crappy stock manifold) well.

    So in my situation I am thinking a high flow cat is going to uncork it pretty well. Also removal of intake restrictions is going to help it a lot.

    So at the moment the exhaust is going crappy and I'm thinking my cat is about done anyway, so I'm wanting to move on to a header and high flow cat ASAP and put a 2.5 exhaust on.

    I am thinking that will uncork about 25hp for me, but on a stock 1.9 will be pretty unimpressive. Though at the moment I think I might only see 10 because of the fueling getting maxed.

    Then I will be porting an intake, and matching it to a bigger TB, with a slight angle cut on the mounting face to aim the flow at the middle ports on the intake... which in theory gives most even flow to all 4.... the straight down the middle setup tends to leave #4 gasping (Which is known to run hot and drop valve seats, coincidence? methinks not)

    After that I will log AFRs and decide just how much fuel I need. Which will probably just end up with me slapping a Vulcan MAF and 19lb injectors in it 'coz I'm too lazy to get a proper tune :D

    Though I am looking at methods of gaining timing control over the thing.

    On paper I figure I can get it to 160hp... if I shell out for a cam, then 175-180ish.... if EEC-IV tuning for the 'scort is fully figured out, then 190ish.

    But everything you can bolt on will only get closeish to where I think I am now, and I haven't begun with the bolt ons yet :p

    Road Warrior
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    I have the same problem at WOT. 3/4 pedal seems to be the ticket. If you want to open the intaking piping up I suggest relocating the battery to rear.
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    Hah, the funniest thing... the exhaust I've got on at the moment is a frankenstein concoction of the last two exhaust systems, wint a newish walker soundfx muffler, it's got 2 resonators patched back to back for example...

    Well it had rotted the end of the pipe going into the muffler off, so had to patch a bit on there yesterday, and one of the awful crinkle bends was blowing, but I found a bend that matched and put that in this morning...

    Anyhoo... that seems to have put the darn thing "in tune" again and picked up mid/high torque... just from picking my wife up from work it seems to have lost some of the WOT lag, and pulls better again... oddness... I am wondering whether to mess with it again now :D Trouble is it will only last a couple of months before it finds somewhere else to blow, tubes are like 1/16 steel which is all mostly sound, but it's pitting and blowing through at the seam and welds and bend crevices.
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    well that makes a nice noise but I think any performance increase is illusory, since it's doggy as stock with the A/C on.
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    Well now I've got a header and HO intake on the way, thanks Adrian!

    Yah, the patched up exhaust gave it a lumpy power curve again methinks, put the butt dyno feel back, but removed actual performance.

    Gonna have to find 1.8 cat and catback to go with the header.

    Wasn't expecting to get a HO intake, will probably be staring at it for weeks "grokking" it, before either I put it on as-is or mod it. I knew what I was gonna do to a stock 2nd gen one :D
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    Funny, a 1.9 HO roller cam type was also rated for 110 HP.

    As for 2nd gen or 1st gen CFI engines, (88 and 90 hp respectively), getting to 120 would require a bit of work.

    I've also seen some turbo 1.6L engines belting out 300+ hp. But that's top end stuff.
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